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The Astrology Of Addiction

The astrology of addiction and the (sometime) redemption is fascinating.  Above we have the American actor Robert Downey Jr in his mug-shot years – drunk, disorderly and a non-stop, highly public substance abuser. And this after a stint of early fame courtesy of his (also an addict) film director dad. This character introduced his then eight year old son to wine and cannabis. It became a routine for father and son. So probably the peak of the Robert Downey Jr mad/bad times was April 1996, when he was arrested for speeding down Sunset Boulevard, in possession of heroin, cocaine and an unloaded handgun. Plus he was high. Obviously.  And then in July 2003, he got sober. Not only that he pulled off one of the greatest comebacks in Hollywood history.

So Robert Downey Jr serves as a brilliant – albeit extreme example of addiction-astrology in action. If you’re thinking it comes down to Neptune – yes it does. Neptune is the classic “addictive” signature. And this is not to judge or finger point at anyone. Please don’t freak if you have Neptune squares all over the place. Neptune is a multi-faceted energy – with the astrological Neptune not really even resembling the bearded ocean god of myth.

Neptune is kaleidoscopic. Neptune – as i wrote in this old post – can break your heart.  Neptune classically rules addictions and it is more likely to manifest as tricky, when it is making a square or an opposition. Neptune also rules people with great creative gifts and the potential for a spiritual connection beyond the reach of many others. Neptune is psychic powers and compassion but also that tug (like the tides) toward the next high, the “it’s going to be different this time” or the “I’m obviously not really an alcoholic/gambling addict because xyz”

So let’s look at RDJ’s natal chart + Neptune and then the key transits. Plus: Amy Winehouse & Russell Brand. I searched intensely for a successful female clean/re-habbed ex addict/user but could not find anyone with a birth time on record. I think women tend to keep more quiet about it than men. Or maybe they’re not prone to acting out as publicly as the men do.

Anyway, note RDJ’s Neptune. It is in house number 4 – the trident symbol – and in Scorpio. Now Neptune stays a LONG time in one sign. So everyone born between 1956 and 1970 has Neptune in Scorpio. These generational placements don’t say so much about an individual. But zoom in more and we note, okay, the house placement of Neptune.

RDJ grew UP with Neptune. His Dad giving him that first drink and joint at the age of 8?  Neptune was in his house. Neptune raised him.  See those red lines straight across from Neptune to the Moon and Jupiter? That’s Neptune hardwired into his psyche. And, it’s squared to his Leo Ascendant.  That line is not shown in most charts. We know it’s square because Scorpio is a Fixed Sign and Scorpio always squares Leo + Aquarius and is opposite Taurus. Check that the numbers are close enough to make it an official aspect and voila.

So this is actually known as a Fixed T Square. Fixed because it is in the Fixed Signs and a T Square as there is no actual fourth planet in Aquarius there to make it a Grand Square, with four points. HOWEVER – this is debatable, you could argue (and people do) that the Aquarius Athene/Pallas and Descendant make it Grand Square.

Whatever you call it, Fixed squares with Neptune involved are over the top.  Neptune trines and sextiles are more gentle. They feel like dream promptings and intuition you can trust. You may totally dabble in toxic Neptunian waters but you pull back. The full scale bender reality that RDJ was hurtling through at high velocity is the classic over the top, full commitment oomph of a Fixed Square.

That very same tenacity is now transformed, btw, into a career that is both fantastically fulfilling on a creative level and super lucrative. Plus he is a staunch member of the Hollywood recovery scene, actively helping younger addicts turn their lives around. So remember this: squares, especially big fixed squares involving Neptune can operate like trines once you’ve conquered them. They become a strength.

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1996 was Jupiter square his Aries Sun-Mercury – Jupiter can take anything over the top. And he kept partying after that.

July 2003, when he got sober and sort of crawled out of the wreckage his life had become, was Pluto in trine to his Leo Ascendant and Sun, on his South Node. So you can see his natal Pluto is nicely placed in Virgo, alongside Uranus and Mars. Pluto in Sagittarius was not directly activating his natal Pluto BUT he was able to recognize and run with the Pluto power when he got a good strong fix on it.  He recognized it because it felt familiar. Transits that resonate with something you’ve got as a natal strength are amazing. It feels like a door opens up within your psyche and you’ve got a whole new room in there. A whole wing maybe. You know those sorts of dreams?

He also had Jupiter hanging out near his Leo Ascendant AND Neptune heading for his Aquarius Descendant. One way or another, he was going to be having a relationship (Descendant) with Neptune. Obviously, he could have chosen to spiral down the route he was on but, as he put it: “I said, ‘You know what? I don’t think I can continue doing this.’ And I reached out for help, and I ran with it.”

Neptune is just as much 12 Step and Sobriety as it is drugs and delusion. It’s altered consciousness and the search for transcendence or meaning.  Neptune can break your heart but it can also save your life. You could see this as Jupiter pushing for growth, Pluto augmenting that with the big push for genuine change – the “it’s time” of the Judgment card in Tarot and Neptune in Aquarius moving in to activate that natal Grand Square.

Russell Brand – the British comedian turned activist – is Sun Opposite Neptune. Again, that intensity of Neptune in hard aspect (square or opposition) to a really vital point in his chart energies. Neptune also trines his Mars and Jupiter. So that’s like an auto-setting for going hard at it. Mars is energy and stamina – in aspect to Neptune, if there is a downward spiral, Mars will make the whole train go faster.  Of course, it can also be super shamanic.

Brand has a Neptune T-square also: Neptune opposite Sun square Lilith in Pisces. His Neptune is also in Sagittarius and in the highly visible 10th House. So he has turned his sobriety/recovery into an actual public aspect of his career – books, docos, activism etc.

The superbly talented singer Amy Winehouse had Neptune conjunct Moon and square her Sun – another Neptune T-square.  Her Neptune was also trine her Mars. These people can just keep going and going. Until…they can’t.   When she died, the North Node was on her natal Neptune and Neptune, just newly into Pisces, was in trine to her Moon.

I read somewhere that she died drinking vodka (having kicked the heroin, she upped the other) googling herself on the internet. And that her tiny frame (Mercurial Gemini Rising) was so hideously stoic with the alcohol by then that she had drunk nearly two bottles of vodka and her bodyguard could not even tell she had been drinking when she came down to the kitchen to get more.

So there are a few things to take from this. Nothing is so heaven/hell in its polarity as Neptune. Uranus is not – as you might think – so connected with drugs and alcohol as Neptune. Uranus is more often subversive and sobriety has become subversive. Pluto? Pluto sins are more sexual and compulsive in nature.  But if you have an addict in your family or circles, it could be a worthwhile exercise to study their Neptune. Or even your own.  Relationships that feature strong Neptune squares in the Composite (see previous Hack re composite charts) can often amplify each person’s tendencies toward the dilution of reality.

As Caroline Knapp – the Sun/Mars/Neptune in Scorpio square Leo Rising author of Drinking: A Love Story once wrote – Alcohol, of course, coursed through our romance like a river, providing the undercurrents.  Though it is desperately sad and poignant, this is an absolutely amazing haute Neptune book.  

Finally, some transits can really wake up Neptune Vibe. Watch for when you have Neptune squaring a personal planet. This can be when you totally want to tie one on more than usual or be more prone to relapse if you’re abstaining.  The Saturn square Neptune situation till late 2016 is bringing addiction and alcohol issues more into the public eye than ever before. There has never been this much focus on the social practices of binge drinking, potential consequences of drinking, debate over drug laws and popular sobriety memoirs or celebrities being open about their membership of sobriety fellowships.

Neptune can be a major numb out but Neptune can also be incredible instincts and inspiration. Neptune, of course, rules Pisces and the 12th House. That old astrological cliche of the two fish swimming in two directions (up and down) has resonance; with Neptune, you can turn at any time. You can turn that tide.  If you’ve ever stood in the water and felt that strong tidal pull, you know Neptune.

So what are your thoughts on all this? Have you any Neptune natal or transit examples of your own? And can you see how Saturn square Neptune in Pisces is really spot-lighting this whole deal?

 

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  • Reply Redsonya February 9, 2016 at 6:37 am

    Wow, my jupiter conjunct transcendent us exactly squared neptune the ninth house. Neptune conjunct the north node, misbehave, Venus, and Sun. I have always liked drinking but never had issues with other drugs and have been successful. When transiting neptune squared my Sun and Venus, it triggered a series of losses that made me “want to crawl into a bathtub of wine and never come out”. It’s much, much better now that this transit is finally over and I am just having my midlife crisis (neptune square neptune), lol.

    • Reply Redsonya February 9, 2016 at 6:39 am

      Lol, the spell check errors in my comment above seem very Neptunian.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 4:48 pm

      YES we have to watch Neptune squares. They can really sneak up. Eg Right now if you have anything at 8 Mutable (gemini, virgo, pisces, saggo) you’re doing Neptune

      • Reply Redsonya February 9, 2016 at 8:43 pm

        Ugh! Pisces ascendant conjunct Jupiter at 8 degrees. its squares my Neptune conjunct north node and midheaven in Sag. Tired of Neptune!!
        .

  • Reply Bryce February 9, 2016 at 6:48 am

    I love Caroline Knapp, that book is amazing, and explained addiction to me in such a real way. Neptune – my Neptune in the 2nd (Sag) trines my Mars in the 9th (Leo) exact, like Amy Winehouse in the example. Currently Neptune is trine my sun and opposite my Jupiter/NN. It might be the opposition to Jupiter/NN plus the Saturn/Neptune square happening, but I’ve had incredible amounts of visions and intuition since last August/September. I’ve always been intuitive, but this is a whole new level.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 4:52 pm

      Great you are doing this so Haute. Neptune can be amazing – i mean like literal guidance…from elsewhere. SO gifted. But yes the propensity for downward spiral is there. So many glam magically talented neptune party people lost…

      I remember in my clubbing phase – Pluto was coming up to be on my Neptune (happens to everyone about age 23/24) having a dream that i was in a club, fabulous, and the floor was tilting, i looked down and gradually the floor was turning into this giant slide, like a fun fair slippery dip and it went down into this abyss, with cigarette butts and champagne bottles all starting to slide down this thing. It was terrifying. At the time i had some friends who – i was starting to see – were committed to drugs.

  • Reply Honey Dove February 9, 2016 at 6:57 am

    My earliest heroine writer was Dorothy Parker:

    http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Dorothy_Parker

    Dorothy Parker- prolific writer, heavy drinker. Neptune/Pluto in 2nd, Neptune opposite Lilith, she was renowned for scathing wit. My dad, born 1912 adored her and the Algonquin crew. She was a firebrand- a woman taking on men’s drinking, smoking, screwing and writing.

    Some Parkerisms:

    Men never make passes at girls who wear glasses.

    A poem:

    Resumé

    Razors pain you
    Rivers are damp
    Acids stain you
    And drugs cause cramp
    Guns aren’t lawful
    Nooses give
    Gas smells awful
    You might as well live.
    -Dorothy Parker

    Her short stories explore class and race injustices. She and her crew luved in squalor, crashing on couches, writing drinking, more writing. Sad endings.

    My post Saturn transit Moon-Neptune in 12th restraint/ refrain from Blue devil Hoochie juice. Drugs never had allure. Hard enough to banish ancestor ghosts straight and sober! LOL!

    Husband serious wine collector- Pisces Moon -Mars but measured/infrequent consumer.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 4:56 pm

      Great example. AND – everyone else can look at this via the link in your post – can you see how her Neptune is quincunx (it is a 150 degree angle, like, just short of an opposition) her Moon and in trine to her Saturn…That squares the Moon.

      So Neptune trine Saturn – she made a living out of this Neptune life and was clearly a legendary wit – but the Moon square Saturn with Neptune involvement, that’s harsh.

      Saturn and Neptune squares to the Moon need strong management. That is why – with Saturn-Neptune square now in general – so many people are laying down firm boundaries, if they know what is good for them.

      • Reply Karen February 9, 2016 at 9:49 pm

        firm boundaries….yes, describes where I’m at so aptly

      • Reply Honey Dove February 10, 2016 at 3:50 pm

        Love that Moon-Neptune inconjunct- she moved house often and was the epitome of boho.

        Thank you, Brilliant Mystic!!

        • Reply Karen February 11, 2016 at 1:29 pm

          interesting – I love Dorothy Parker too, but the Moon inconjunct Neptune….can that be a signature of narcissism or something? Both my ex and my mother have it. They are both sort of anti-Saturnine, in terms of not respecting the structures of life, to the point of not respecting the material lifeform.

  • Reply Honey Dove February 9, 2016 at 7:13 am

    http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Harrison,_Jim

    Jim Harrison, another writer has a Neptune t-square. His affinity to nature and the magic world is brilliant.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 4:58 pm

      “I did not want to live out my life in the strenuous effort to hold a ghost world together. It was plain as the stars that time herself moved in grand tidal sweeps rather than the tick-tocks we suffocate within, and that I must reshape myself to fully inhabit the earth rather than dawdle in the sump of my foibles.”
      ? Jim Harrison, Julip

  • Reply scorpiodawn February 9, 2016 at 7:16 am

    just have trine’s and sextiles to Neptune, thank goodness.
    suprises me coz I have drank heavily in the past, almost teetotal now. must check my mothers chart, I suspect she is alcoholic. her father was.
    think I just have Neptune sq Neptune at the mo, I will check.
    oh Russell! he’s done really well. had such a major obsession with him back in the day. gorgeous. and rdj- they have similar looks.
    great to hear people can turn things around.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 5:02 pm

      Interesting…i think heaps of people “drank heavily in the past” – in some ways alcohol now is where smoking was in the 80s. AND you know, it’s kind of classic to leave school and hit it hard – the freedom and all. But tricky Neptune aspects can indicate no red light there, it’s green lit all the way.

      FYI i just looked up Bill Wilson, the founder of AA – Neptune in Gemini square Moon/Lilith in Pisces. Moon rules his MC in Cancer.

  • Reply Sharron February 9, 2016 at 7:40 am

    Sheesh, I basically am RDJ. Our birthdays are only a few weeks apart, we share the Pluto/Uranus/Mars thing and the Saturn in Pisces opposing, Lilith in Cap, plus the Leo rising/Neptune square thing.
    I have Neptune in 4th opp Jupe in 10th. Square Leo asc, sq Venus-Ceres on Dsc in Aqua. Is that a grand cross? Fuq me. Pass the wine. 🙁
    *Pauses, gathers wits*
    Grew up w addict parent. Invented whole other worlds to cope with traumatic childhood situations. Have had issues w booze but never addicted. My addictive tendencies have been around relationships… perhaps that’s what Venus brings to the mix. Am also prone to bleakness and self-loathing.
    Unlike RDJ I haven’t yet figured out a way to turn these squares into strengths 🙂
    I tend to be a person of extremes. I could be either a) alone, drunk, carb loading, crying, depressed and hating myself while obsessively googling i-ching/Oracles to find out if LZ object loves me; or b) vegan, organic, recycled, yogic, animal loving writer who runs a lucrative and genius online self-help guru-type business from her prime real estate by the beach, in demand on the speaker circuit for her brilliant insights into relationships.
    Hmm perhaps that’s the answer to my Saturn sq Neptune career issues. I’ve been the former – perhaps now to aim for the latter? My NN Gem certainly likes the sound of it 🙂

    • Reply leoliza February 9, 2016 at 12:30 pm

      Same as you and RDJ here also …but I also have 12th leo sun square, leo ASC..square 4th Nep/moon conjunction…Addict father, divorced parents. I have never smoked…done drugs..but was a drinker-never a sloppy drunk (still love my beer). Love zombie for a time (extremely jealous in my younger years, even though i look back and think ‘damn i was hot, what was my problem?’)…with age comes some relief of those cares. Also when i had saturn transit to my neptune/moon in 2012, my father died.

      • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 5:04 pm

        So did you make a conscious effort to avoid drugs/excess because of some of those factors?

        • Reply leoliza February 9, 2016 at 7:04 pm

          not really a conscious thing for me, but I was more uptight (maybe trying hard to be ‘good’) for that reason

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 5:03 pm

      WOW that is interesting – you will be loving Jupiter over your Mars, Pluto and Uranus with Pluto in Cap in support, right?

      And as that would be Jupiter in Taurus in the 10th – HELLO, URANUS IN TAURUS IS COMING FOR YOU!

      • Reply Sharron February 9, 2016 at 5:30 pm

        Yep – loving the Jupe/NN situ, it has been across my 1st/2nd houses. A huge boost to self-worth/self-image and am getting my financial merde together.

  • Reply Emily February 9, 2016 at 9:05 am

    My close friend, a sweet quirky Cancerian, has battled with addiction for years. He has Neptune in Capricorn squaring his Libra moon.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 5:05 pm

      So sad. Pluto over Neptune – if it has not happened yet – can be augmenting.

  • Reply rachel February 9, 2016 at 9:29 am

    Sugar has become nearly intolerable in all but very small amounts as an ingredient–I have literally been able to SMELL when something has too much sugar lately. This was such a gradual transition for me that I didn’t do it intentionally–and am still a little struck by it. (my son is one–I try best as I can manage to give him no foods with added sugar). Honestly, in this Neptune Saturn business this year, I have considered abstaining from alcohol–and yet, probably the biggest “addiction” I will try to kick this year will be dairy consumption. And strangely–one of the biggest contributing factors in THAT is the cream in my coffee–also an addiction–albeit, I do believe coffee has a good amount of health benefits,

    • Reply rachel February 9, 2016 at 9:58 am

      Natal Neptune for me is conjunct Uranus and Saturn, 6th house, Capricorn–all three square my 10th house moon–although the orb is closed to Uranus–farthest from Neptune.

      Closer aspects to Neptune are a sextile to my 5th house Scorpio Pluto, and an opposition to Chiron in the 12th, Kataka.

      There is some t square action–not quite strict though–with my (Aries) moon square (cap) Uranus, Saturn Neptune and also square Jupiter in late Gemini–so like a mostly cardinal slightly mutable t square where Neptune is in on the action.

      I have always felt an edge to my personae that finds too much of a routine somewhat repulsive (Uranus influence? Uranus/venus trine)–I thrive on nuance and adaptation. And so any addictive tenancy I find within myself also brings a kind of deep analysis and an inherent desire to break the habit–not always totally successfully–the impulse is there though, and strong.

      I have found a lot of success in the approach to kicking addiction that goes something like “I am more creative than this–my options are unlimited–why would I want to do the same thing and try to have this same experience over and over again?”

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 4:47 pm

      we are twins. I LOVE coffee – and i get this super sustainable single origin organic one & i think it has benefits.

      But increasingly since Saturn-Neptune square, i can’t digest sugar/dairy…I have always been veggo, trying to be vegan but now realizing it needs to be lifestyle change, not just cuttting out dairy.

      Two things; how weird is it that most good docs and naturopaths are anti wheat, sugar and dairy yet these are the cornerstones of agriculture and economy – we subsidize them

      Want inspiration – this: http://www.elle.com/beauty/health-fitness/a28600/amanda-chantal-bacon-moon-juice-food-diary/

      • Reply rachel February 10, 2016 at 12:30 am

        wow, LOVE this–thank you

  • Reply rachel February 9, 2016 at 9:44 am

    and holy f–of course–just did a composite chart for a short lived abusive relationship years ago which contributed to a spike in my alcohol consumption–and what do you know, Cardinal Neptune T-Square, Neptune conjunct moon in Cap, square sun/merc conjunction in Libra, and Jupiter/nn conjunction in Aries–and hey, Lilith just happens to be hanging out in Kataka–though not quite within orb. Go figure

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 5:07 pm

      Yes – i actually think sometimes you can just glance at a composite chart and what LEAPS out at you is the story of your relationship….Those NEtpune relationships which, when you look back at them, were just awash with booze (and maybe more) are like a drug trip in themselves. You leave them and it is like you are coming around from something.

  • Reply Keith February 9, 2016 at 10:03 am

    I was woken with the thought that how come l havn’t succumbed to my mate’s green smoking encouragements. Then l read this!

    I am a 4th Hauser Nep in Scorp that squares my late Kat Sun 1H / early Aqua 7H Moon opposition. The Moon square was only 2° off exact. It showed up in my love for my mother dying when l was 8. A mother’s prostitution will do that to a kid; no matter the justification. I, to this day, have no feelings for her. Those who know their astro know how this would’ve affected a dbl Kat boy. And her Sun is trine mine; go figure. I transferred my affections to females that would visit. Then l formed a way to early carnal relationship with an 18yo when l was 11-12. That fuqd me up real good.
    My Mother was •|??>>{{#@_%£
    My Father was a##/*¥????{? and a ???|@!+×^=
    My Stepfather was a @#*£_$$°?<~&&*/$÷% also a •~?<|[email protected]||^^@?.

    Then, @ 15, l smoked dope so much l made Bob M look like a Quaker. Drank 2 bottles of Tequilla or Rum in the same session a number of times. It was a 'number' of my of my feelings. I stole cars, bashed ppl inc my sister's bf for bad mouthn her, wrecked dept store displays, lit my farts up in Rundle Mall, outrun the cops in VW Beetles, rode motor cycles so fast l 'missed' accidents. Kicked car doors in of ppl who cut me off on the bike. I wasn't a "bad boy" (no girls were attracted to me), l was a fuqn bastard.

    Fuq, l wanted to die.

    Fortunately my Nep trines my Asc and sextiles my Mars, Pluto & Venus (Virgo) & my Saturn in Capricorn. I became a good husband and dad and tradesman as the ultimate middle finger salute to those supposed adults, perhaps adolts, that inhabited my childhood that never was.

    I could've shown RDJ how it was really done.

    • Reply Keith February 9, 2016 at 10:09 am

      But his performance as an Aussie playing an Afro-American is hilarious.

      • Reply Methinky February 9, 2016 at 3:11 pm

        You’re freaking awesome, what an amazing personal evolution. I feel really sad for that little kid who suffered, I bet you were a great teacher to kids who needed to get through stuff too (before the ‘so-called think they adults’ decided they needed to interfere – a theme?)

        • Reply Keith February 9, 2016 at 6:30 pm

          Kids loved me. Staff thought l was off-beat.
          The upper management in schools is best encapsulated in this Dylan lyric:

          “Authorites, they hated him,
          Because he was just too real”

          Song:”George Jackson”
          Teaching was my 10th haus ‘out’ from the T-Square above. Kids loved it bcos l gave them the unadulterated shit. Not some mealy mouthed weasel words.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 5:14 pm

      So Neptune square Sun/Moon = Classic Neptunian but you seemed to have gotten a handle on it, right? I mean, you are here, not in jail.

      So did you actually give it all up in a drastic moment of clarity or gradually taper down over the years. And if it was the former, what transit was it?

      • Reply Keith February 9, 2016 at 6:20 pm

        I will look up ephemeris for 1980. I met my wife who was a Sun Moon Venus Pluto cjunct my Mars Pluto Venus.

  • Reply rachel February 9, 2016 at 10:08 am

    And the fascination continues:

    Looking into the chart of a close friend of mine who overdosed on heroin last summer–and the transits at the time of his passing:

    Firstly, he was a Sag sun, 12th house–so Cap rising, with Neptune rising conjunct his ascendant.

    The day he passed, the moon was on his natal Neptune, with Pluto not too far ahead.

    Transiting Neptune was conjunct his natal north node in Pisces, both sextile his natal neptune/ascendant, trine his natal pluto in scorpio

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 5:20 pm

      So sad…Neptune Rising was Marilyn Monroe, they’ve usually got other-worldly gold standard charisma but yup, Neptune is hardwired into their persona.

      It’s like if they’re not going to be shamans/priestess type people, they’re going to be either zonked out of it more or less permanently OR working a strong religious path – church, 12 step or super haute creativity.

      Here is a super sleazy example of lower Neptune – Bill Cosby – Moon/Neptune in Virgo trine his Midheaven and his Uranus. He may not even think he did anything “wrong” – such would be the level of denial. His chart is full of trines – that means you can get away with shit a hell of a lot longer.

      • Reply Keith February 9, 2016 at 6:45 pm

        Prob Rolf has lotsa trines too.

      • Reply rachel February 10, 2016 at 12:42 am

        he was shamanic also actually–a musician–we had healing experiences together–just stumbling into it really, neither one of us had any kind of formal training–

        He was big on the number 12–his birthday was 12/12, his name started with L–12th letter of the alphabet–etc. and I was the one who first looked up his natal chart and we discovered his 4 planet 12th house–
        I used to make a point to send him a happy birthday message at 12:12–and now when I see 12:12 on the clock I take note and give him a nod.

        Saturn was on the other side of his ascendant, in the 12th, so his ascendant was being hugged by Saturn and Neptune–reminiscent of a song lyric he wrote “I’ve got the time, when you’ve got the state of mind”

        • Reply rachel February 10, 2016 at 1:07 am

          lol, looking up a video of that song, curious, I peek into facebook to look at some of the last messages he sent me (what a weird time we live in) — messages typed from his corporeal body at least–and find this from a few years back
          “I secretly just want to become a shaman”

          • scorpio_rising February 10, 2016 at 11:16 am

            now he is free to be one in another plane of existence. <3

          • rachel February 11, 2016 at 3:44 pm

            something like it at least–a guide from the other side

  • Reply Di San February 9, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    How do you think it works, if I already have Saturn (in Virgo) square Neptune (in Sagg) nattaly?

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 5:22 pm

      How does what work? The Saturn Neptune square of 2015/2016?

  • Reply Emma February 9, 2016 at 2:06 pm

    UGH, I will have to save this to read for later…got to sweat some details in prep for that full moon in virgo;….love it though!!! Really want to get my head around it.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 9, 2016 at 5:22 pm

      Well these all sit here for ages – the hacks – and as we go, the pdfs pop up for download. So you don’t need to rush!

  • Reply Ashley February 9, 2016 at 3:24 pm

    I’ll come right out and say it that I’m an addict and a love zombie. I’ve got Neptune in Sagittarius sitting on my DC in the 7th, opposite my AC in Gemini in square with Venus in Virgo 4th house and Jupiter in Virgo 5th house.

    I started doing drugs when I was 13 with my older brother (who btw has Neptune in square with his Sun/Mercury… and he still does plenty of drugs, booze, pot, xanax) but it didn’t become a real issue until my early-20s when I became addicted to and then quit opioid painkillers. I picked up drinking after that and though I don’t do a plethora of drugs anymore, my relationship with drinking has remained steady although it is an element of my life that I am constantly keeping in check.

    On the flip side, the higher energies of Neptune and this square, as I work with it, continues to develop into a deep and almost magical spiritual practice. Meditation and really working with that Venus/Jupiter aspect in growing an amazing amount of compassion for myself and others. Of course this square also has me wearing rose-colored glasses sometimes…. but natal Jupiter is conjunct Saturn in Libra, 5th which I think keeps that expansive delusional love energy in check and more grounded… which is a little bit like my drinking, too. No more than a bottle of wine a day. A bit much? Yes, but it could be worse… and I refuse to let it get worse…

    Perhaps after this Saturn transit about to enter my 7th and hit on natal Neptune, this drawn out love affair with drinking will finally extinguish itself enough so I can really concentrate my energy in continuing to grow in being in a healthier and more loving relationship with myself and others. Transit Jupiter/N. Node is sitting on my natal Venus/Jupiter, too. Hmmmm am I about to meet my soul mate? hahahaha

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 10, 2016 at 2:25 am

      Wow you got the whole deal going on! But notice how candid you are, that is the Sagittarius difference.

      Saturn over Neptune is definitely a good time to annihilate unhealthy habits. But “drawn out love affairs with drinking” don’t just extinguish themselves sweetie!

      I could see that much a day being a distinct energy drain, that once removed, could be chanelled into your clear gifts of perception and compassion!

      • Reply Honey Dove February 10, 2016 at 4:04 pm

        Hah! My husband’s Neptune is in his 7th opposite my totes Lubra crowd. Yes the scales fell- my Saturn vision helps me plot and plan.

        He used to be super vulnerable to con artists- but is crazy fox affable/intuitive in law.

        Saturn-Neptune ATM gives me Saturn vision to see clients’ cons/addictions and strategize with younger co- workers to help them.

        When Neptune is in 7th, your “soulmate” can be low or high Neptune- booze, drugs, LZ, yoga, guru…

  • Reply Rosa February 9, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    Fascinating. My partner’s father (who was an addict for many years and now is a rehab councillor) is sooo very Neptunian. My partner’s chart also reflects his strained and distant relationship with his father through Neptune being in his 10th house, conjunct with his father’s Moon sign.

    My Neptune in in H11 and squares Ceres and I’m not sure what this means. I don’t find much about it. Any ideas?

    • Reply Sharron February 9, 2016 at 4:38 pm

      I hope this could be useful to you – I have Neptune squaring my Venus-Ceres 6th house conjunction. Ceres as I understand it is about physical nurturing/self-care. What house is your Ceres in?
      For me, the Ceres square to Neptune has meant that if I look after my bod, my mental health takes care of itself.

      • Reply Rosa February 9, 2016 at 9:52 pm

        Thanks for the comment. My Ceres is in Libra, house 8. So from this it would mean Neptune squaring this.. that if I look after my deep emotional connections and sexuality then my mental health would benefit?

        • Reply Mystic Medusa February 10, 2016 at 2:29 am

          Okay question: Regardless of how much money your friends do or do not have, do you find that you are always the one paying more? Or that you feel like you owe them something?

          • Rosa February 10, 2016 at 4:07 pm

            Yes!!! Always. I always feel like I’m sort of ‘the provider’ amongst my friends. ”No it’s all good, my shout” – is often said by me.

      • Reply Mystic Medusa February 10, 2016 at 2:28 am

        WOW i love that. My Ceres Return awareness has been amazing. And this massive gut consciousness – happy digestion = happy neurochemistry and all. Like Ceres is not dutiful as in “i should have some fuqing bok choy now or that thing has 500 calories” – it is beyond that.

        • Reply Sharron February 11, 2016 at 5:03 pm

          Yes I totally get this. I have experienced it as being able to access the more spiritual /haute Neptune if I take care of my physical body. And nothing like Saturn. More like a beautiful path opening up, than a humourless guy with a clipboard.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 10, 2016 at 2:27 am

      Yah you get that – those extremes are super Neptune.

      OKAY i tend to ignore Ceres but i just had my Ceres Return and noticed in retrospect, that i got obsessed with nutrition – not just the obvious but the spiritual angle of what we eat, that is merges with us, that it affects the brain, that certain foods can decalcify the pineal gland and we are then more aware and ALL this rad stuff – so i don’t know what house or anything your Ceres is in but to me it is about nourishment and self-care so if you were doing the worse angle of this Neptune-Ceres square…losing yourself in the tribe vibe? Friends who take you to KFC?

  • Reply Nia February 9, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    I have a Cardinal T-Square with Neptune/Dsc (7H), Mars (4H), Chiron/Asc (12H), and NN (10H) where the fourth point would be.

    I’ve never struggled with addiction, never overused alcohol or even been interested in trying drugs. I feel like Chiron opposite keeps me stable, plus Saturn+Uranus in 6H is stability in change / change IS stability. They make it hard to get stuck in a rut.

    I have however lived with an alcoholic step-father, but I was already individuated and tempered enough to not be influenced or impressed by his behavior. The whole experience made me a stronger person in the end—but maybe that is just the result of being Plutonic. I don’t have a birth time but he has Scorpio Neptune sextile Pluto, Saturn, Sun…bipolar, narcissistic, highly addictive and borderline personality…vacillates between huge extremes from hyper-religious minimalist monk life to dysfunctional delusional rockstar alcoholic.

    My Neptune is trine Moon 3H, sextile Pluto-Venus-Mercury 5H. It gets activated in my writing, research, and creative endeavors—this is where I get the “addictive” / Mars Square energizer bunny effect. I’ve spent a lot of long hours/days without sleep (and without caffeine) simply motivated by The Work. Finding the solution becomes an obsession and the realizations along the way are envigorating.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 10, 2016 at 2:40 am

      WOW Nia, good on your for emerging so strong and lucid from that piece of work step father. Great description there.
      Some peoples creativity gets shut down by people like that – in other cases its rendered more powerful.

      BUT MY GOD I just felt inspired to look up my fathers astrology (i would never put this on the main blog btw – it is just for here) – he had alcohol issues/vile temper/same veering between monk ascetic living and gaudy shit – extremely difficult to live with on a number of levels but he also read Castaneda, Beat Poetry, invented things and was highly original and unconventional.

      WHAT IS WEIRD THOUGH IS HIS ASTROLOGY. He had me quite late in his life so he was of the Zap Zone Generation in the 1930s…Uranus in Aries square Pluto in Cancer…But apart from that he had everything in either Aquarius or Virgo. Sun, Mercury, Venus and Saturn in Aquarius. Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Neptune in Virgo.

      Neptune on the South Node in Virgo opposite the Pisces North Node.

      So Neptune types as parents/step parents do the same polarity trick – if they are lower Neptune types, obviously parenting comes lower down on their list of top secret priorities but they always give you SOME magic along with all the bullshit.

      • Reply Keith February 10, 2016 at 3:51 am

        I had to chime in here. My mother has TWO Grand Trines (Star of David like) & 2 Mystic Wreckedangles.

        GET THIS: 3 of her oppositions are Moon/Uranus T Squared by Mercury. Also Neptune opp her Venus AND opp her Sun.

        Says it all really.

        • Reply Keith February 10, 2016 at 3:56 am

          And our composite has a 2 stage Fixed Grand Cross.

          FFO.

      • Reply Nia February 10, 2016 at 8:07 am

        Wow, MM, that Aqua – Virgo dynamic sounds intense. And my first impression is Sun-Merc-Venus-Saturn operating more outward / with others but Moon-Mars-Jupiter-Neptune is all the shit that is brewing underneath and percolates up. Neptune SN opposite Pisces NN sounds like a struggle to clean up one’s act / awareness / karma in order to be truly inspired and creative in the NOW, sustainably. My step-father had this problem as well…very creative, deep, soulful, but way too able to get lost in delusions (of grandeur among other things). Super fixed (earthy Saturn sextile?) in his thinking also and terrible with the reality of money. At least he wasn’t outwardly violent…

        His Neptune is conjunct my Pluto/Mercury/Venus stellium, so I’ve noticed I just evolve around his bullshit, with grace and clear boundaries. That is the best any of us can do under oppression. My family is still involved with him in a legal battle, but the distance allows my Libran Mars tact to shine!

  • Reply Fauness February 9, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    Test! Sorry, I just poured my little Neptunian heart out and the post was lost. I want to make sure all is well before I do that again.

  • Reply Keith February 9, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    I just wanted to say “Night Swimming”, (REM) is a bloody great song.
    I dunno what it means but it makes me cry.

  • Reply Fauness February 9, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    My brother had Neptune trine his Leo Jupiter Mercury conjunction (exact) and also sextile his Aqua moon. He started drinking, cutting school, and smoking weed in middle school. Then he moved on to bigger things. A major problem he had was being too damn charismatic. He could make best friends with the cop at the check point while being blitzed, bottle under the seat and bag of chronic in the console. Those were the days before breathalyzers, obviously. After months in court ordered rehab, he died of a speedball on Christmas Day after being dealt the blow of his wife’s boyfriend picking up the kids. That day Venus was conjunct his Neptune.

    I have a Moon Neptune conjunction, opposing Mars and trining Saturn. Saturn keeps me straight (ok not completely); my issue is mental escapism, which is soul wrenching but not lethal. And once these current transits are over, that may not be an issue anymore. I’m being rubbed raw and rebuilt.

    I don’t have a birth time for my father but I am positive he has a strong Neptune also. He went from sugar addiction to diabetic and now he hoards and is a religious fanatic. Actually I am pretty sure without the birth info to prove it, that most of my family on my dad’s side is strongly Neptunian. I just think they’ve gone about it in the wrong fashion. That’s why Ms Scorpio Rising is here to save the day *wink wink*.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 10, 2016 at 2:48 am

      So awful with your brother..And yes Neptunians are often madly charismatic…Saturn is a GREAT augment to Neptune. Watch this saturn neptune square over the next year – heaps of people cleaning up their act.

      Hoarding…is that Neptunian? I need to think on that. Religious fanatic can actually be Jupiter or Sagittarius.

      • Reply Fauness February 10, 2016 at 4:09 pm

        I was thinking it was part of his sugar addiction replacement. I looked up the date and he has Neptune square moon and Venus. His Jupiter is conjunct Saturn, maybe that’s the religious connection.

        • Reply Karen February 10, 2016 at 7:29 pm

          you can be addicted to hoarding for sure, an adjunct of the shopping addiction perhaps? not in terms of your Dad, but generally

    • Reply Isis February 10, 2016 at 4:37 pm

      So sorry about your gorgeous brother.
      Your story made me immediately check my brother’s chart, who died after an accidental overdose when he was very drunk. He began drinking in his teens to self-medicate after he was abused at our RC Church.
      ANWAY, blow me over with a feather but he had
      1) Neptune opposing Mars (like your lovely self)
      2) Neptune squaring his Sun & Mars
      3) The day he died he had Jupiter, planet of excess, exact his Neptune.

      My father is Pisces Sun to his Virgo Sun. They did not get along as you can tell by all this Neptune/Sun/Mars tension.

      • Reply Isis February 10, 2016 at 7:38 pm

        Sorry, I have to add that Saturn was also exact his South Node at the time of his death.. I find that very interesting.

        • Reply Fauness February 13, 2016 at 9:57 pm

          That is interesting. Are you finding healing by looking at his chart?

          My brother had Neptune, Venus, and Chiron on his moon when he died. He was unstable emotionally so all that must have driven him so escape.

      • Reply Fauness February 13, 2016 at 9:45 pm

        I’m sorry about your brother. It’s so hard to loose a sibling. I’m not sure why my brother started. I always chalked it up to irresponsibility and lack of consequences from my parents. Someone recently gave me some insights on his chart that helped me understand underlying issues. Sun on the IC and Pluto on the DSC were a few. She saw familial ties and a possible burden to fulfill certain roles. It was painful but also healing to look at his chart again now that I am getting better at disecting it. Part of the retro through my 3rd, I’m sure.

        xx

  • Reply Sarah February 9, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    Oh dear. Woke up to this with a hangover. I have Moon-Jupiter-Neptune Conjunction sextile Pluto and MC. I have problems with alcohol. I need help. It’s all or nothing. I’m not a nice drunk either. My son has Mars Neptune in 4th house Aqua. Am I fuqing him up?

    • Reply Sarah February 9, 2016 at 7:05 pm

      I’m actually a really terrible person when I drink. I have had so many fights with people, lost friends and family from it. Today I vowed again to be sober, that is until I can’t cope and have a glass.

      • Reply Mystic Medusa February 10, 2016 at 2:50 am

        Okay so what is your plan for dealing with this? Because you sound conflicted!! Like you’re expecting to be in a “can’t cope” situation but it is actually your choice. You don’t have to drink again if you do not want to.

        Moon Jupiter Neptune with that Pluto/Mc is AMAZING for art & higher consciousness…

        • Reply Sarah February 10, 2016 at 2:12 pm

          My plan is not to drink.

          • Karen February 10, 2016 at 11:02 pm

            love and clarity for your future self-lovin self Janey xx

          • Mystic Medusa February 13, 2016 at 11:51 pm

            Good on you!!! Don’t forget to reach out if you need to!!!

  • Reply anpan February 9, 2016 at 9:15 pm

    I have Neptune opp Mercuy (7th and 1st hse). When I was a kid I entertained myself. My parents say i would “perform” for hours, just talking/singing to no one. When I was older, I would just sit alone and imagine myself as someone else, living out the stories I created in my head.

    My husband is Pisces rising with his Neptune on the MC, squaring part of his 7th hse Virgo stellium (specifically, Moon Sun Jupiter). He hasn’t ever had issues with alcohol or drugs, but gets quite obsessive with things, esp related to health.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 10, 2016 at 2:51 am

      that is a fabulous example of the Neptune creatvity…do you write?

      • Reply anpan February 10, 2016 at 10:29 pm

        Nooo…. But I really really want to. I’m not sure why I can’t commit to writing. Some kind of fear. But I will. It was something I was really into as a child but more “practical” things won out as the years went by.

  • Reply Rosa February 9, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    I have Saturn and Uranus Conjunct with Neptune in Capricorn – Saturn and Neptune are in the 11th house and Uranus is in the 10th.

    Saturn conjunct Neptune seems creative to me, because on one hand there’s the task master and then on the other there’s the dreamy artist.

    Uranus conjunct Neptune gives me a rather eccentric and spiritual vibe. Maybe this is about coming up innovative ways to tap into one’s delusions..

    Anyone else get this?

  • Reply Karen February 9, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    yes, I have Neptune on the DC, opposing a rising Moon, sextiling Pluto and Mars, in a Grand Water Trine with Lilith and my NN. Sounds nice, doesn’t it? Well, it is neat at least 🙂

    I have had relationships with substance abusers, and issues with delusion in relationships. I feel that might have passed though. During my Neptune square Neptune transit I had both combined, smoked a lot of drugs and experimented with others. It really snapped me out of the substance addiction. I had dumped alcohol earlier when my ex was indulging far too much, I just had a deep sense that I didn’t like not being in control. Don’t know what transit that was but if I had to guess I’d say a Saturn square.

    • Reply scorpio_rising February 10, 2016 at 12:01 pm

      I accidently quit drinking after watching a friend drink himself (almost) to death. He is a nasty mean drunk and is always drunk. I should look at his chart for his Neptune.
      It makes me physically ill now to drink more than one or two beers or one cocktail.
      My last tipsy bender was back in early June. I had four light beers over the course of six hours and I performed live just tipsy not sober but not drunk either. It was a good place to be in.
      Not sure what snapped but I no longer desire to be drunk anymore.
      Neptune natal Scorpio 1st House.

  • Reply scorpiodawn February 10, 2016 at 12:10 am

    does Neptune have anything to do with how you feel in the water?
    I’ve been teaching my son to swim, and the way it makes me feel has been a revelation-its sooo relaxing, I feel more at home in the water than out.
    it’s like my son has given a part of myself back to me-I loved swimming and did a lot of it before boys and alcohol came on the scene.
    Neptune @ 10 sagg , 8th hse

    • Reply Karen February 10, 2016 at 12:50 am

      what aspects does it make? but also, if you are a Scorpio then your Sun sign is a water sign….I’m a Scorp and I love to swim, well, any time by or on the water really

      • Reply scorpiodawn February 10, 2016 at 8:53 am

        hey supakali….I have moon trine Neptune, venus sextile Neptune, Jupiter trine Neptune, and Neptune sextile pluto x

        • Reply Karen February 10, 2016 at 1:16 pm

          oh yes, lots of love for the water planet there 🙂

          • scorpiodawn February 12, 2016 at 7:07 am

            yeah I guess so!
            wouldn’t have realised without this hack!

    • Reply Fauness February 10, 2016 at 2:11 am

      Yes, I have a strong Neptune and I take a bath at least once a week. I have to. I also love swimming and listening to the sound of running water. I have a creek behind my house, and a favorite rock I sit on to chill there.

      • Reply scorpiodawn February 10, 2016 at 8:54 am

        love baths! just been having them with Epsom salts. soooothing!

        • Reply Fauness February 10, 2016 at 4:02 pm

          I make a mix of Epsom salts, sea salts, and essential oils. I light candles, play binaural beats, the works 😉

          • scorpiodawn February 12, 2016 at 7:08 am

            awesome…u a water sign?

          • Fauness February 13, 2016 at 9:34 pm

            Scorpio rising with Uranus on the ASC. Neptune & moon conjunction. So strong water even though I mostly fire and air.

  • Reply Lisa February 10, 2016 at 1:20 am

    My mother has always been an addict. She still is. It is a miracle she is still alive. We are not close. I have never felt inclined to look at her chart before, she is not a very inspiring person, and I don’t know her time of birth but I just did her chart without it and – no surprise. She has a T- Square with Neptune (Libra) in opposition to Venus in Aries and square Saturn in Cancer. Her addictions had a big impact on her femininity, her family relationships and her mothering / our home life when I was a child. And she has Mars (in Aquarius) trine Neptune. And she certainly has been able to keep it all up for years (it feels like centuries). But she has had more than a few near death experiences in the past few years, and has spent more than half of the past year in hospital. Might the current Neptune / Saturn square signal that she might be getting to the end of her life? I have had a number of feelings that this might be the case and would be grateful for any input from anyone in the course. Thank you.

    • Reply Sharron February 10, 2016 at 1:55 am

      Wow thank you for posting LisaB, you have inspired me to look at my mum’s chart which I have avoided thus far.
      She too has Neptune in a T-square – Neptune in Virgo opp moon in Pisces, plus Neptune square her Mars/Venus conj in Gemini. I too can’t believe my mother is still alive.

      OK here is my novice take on your mum’s chart. I imagine the Uranus-Pluto square was hitting on your mum’s chart pretty hard. Pluto would have been opposing her Saturn during that time. Plus transiting Neptune the last few years would have gone over her Mars – Neptune trine Neptune? Over the top Neptunian energy with Pluto opp Saturn pulling her back down to earth and forcing a reckoning.

      • Reply Lisa February 10, 2016 at 10:35 am

        Thank you Chrysalis, that’s really helpful. And thank you for sharing about your mum’s chart. A Mutable T-square. Perhaps, as Mystic said, it’s the Neptune Square Mars that keeps them going, in both of our mothers’ cases.

        I found this a very helpful Hack. Looking at the charts of everyone close to me. Not surprisingly, none of the non-addicts have anything like my mum’s Neptune t-square. It’s very striking!

        • Reply Sharron February 10, 2016 at 5:59 pm

          Yes I agree, this has been a great hack. I’m really interested in the inter-generational stuff – i.e. what larger patterns or ‘cosmic lessons’ (for want of a better phrase) could be gleaned by looking at charts of mother and daughter, for example.
          In my own case my mum’s Pisces moon is on my 8th house Chiron. Her Neptune in Virgo is on my 2nd house Mars. Perhaps these are generational placements??
          Her Mars in Gem is on my NN. God we argued ALL the time, epic late night arguments esp when she was on the turps and I was too young to know better.

          • Karen February 10, 2016 at 7:58 pm

            your mums Neptune placement is generational but the others move more quickly so their conjunctions are defo meaningful. My mum’s Mars i son my Chiron, her Neptune on my Venus, and her Mercury on my NN. I believe these describe our psycho-spiritual connections, that we come in carrying some of the same programs and playing out certain relationship dynamics that can be read by the planetary contacts. So I would say for example her pursuit of her own emotional needs (moon) wounded you (chiron). and that her boundarylessness or imposition on you has shrouded your ability to act in your own interests. Read Mars/NN….her own actions have perhaps unwittingly led you to your own destiny?

          • Sharron February 10, 2016 at 9:22 pm

            Wow thank you that makes total sense. Her bad mothering and toxic way of dealing with her own emotional needs certainly did wound me. It has informed a lot of my creative work also…

          • Karen February 10, 2016 at 10:59 pm

            “It has informed a lot of my creative work also…” Mars/NN?

            Sorry I was in a rush when I wrote this so i didn’t explain it as clearly as I thought it! but you know what I meant I think – her boundarylessness (neptune) has veiled your ability to act in your own interests (mars). etc.

            re: My mum, I can read the chiron and Neptune contacts clearly enough but I don’t really know how to read her Merc on my NN – it seems significant!

            Anyway I’m glad if it has resonated with you and LisaB, now how do we deal with it? Awareness and cultivating an autonomous relationship to that planetary vibration? With the inside knowledge of what things to watch out for?

          • Lisa February 10, 2016 at 9:22 pm

            Thank you Supakali, that’s so interesting and gives me a lot to ponder, particularly about my own destiny and how it has been affected by my mother: her actions in this world and her chart. I appreciate your comments.

          • Karen February 10, 2016 at 11:00 pm

            see above LisaB 🙂 xx

  • Reply Mystic Medusa February 10, 2016 at 2:43 am

    Just thought of this. I was finding it hard to find triumphant female addict/alcoholics with birth data – a lot of Whitney Houstons and all but not a female equivalent of Robert Downey Jr.

    Is this because a women pulling the same stunt as him would not get the 2nd chance? Or just because they are quieter about it?

    Anyway, BETTY FORD – who started (correct me if this is wrong) the first major rehab center after struggling with her drinking problem as the First Lady (nightmare situation) & whose name has become sort of iconic around this issue.

    SHE has Neptune on Saturn in Leo in 11th House (community) square mercury in taurus which is, btw, the chart ruler as she Virgo Rising.

  • Reply Mystic Medusa February 10, 2016 at 2:46 am

    And Liz Taylor who swung from extreme Neptune lows to extreme Neptune highs all of her life -she was a yoyo Neptuner – she had Neptune in Virgo opposite Mars, Sun and Mercury in Pisces. ALSO square her Ascendant. And it was the highest planet in her chart, shining down like a distant twinkle when she was born.

  • Reply Isis February 10, 2016 at 4:49 am

    Super interesting! *cracks out the Single Malt Glen-whatsit in honour of the occasion* And I enjoy RDJ and RB, in fact most of these addictive types mentioned. Sparkly crazy types.

    Been the Jack of all substances but Master of none.. not addictive.
    It’s too heavy, too much effort. I mean I tried, everyone around me encouraged me trying – for years. But I just couldn’t keep up.
    I was organising dance parties and working for 48 hours without sleep while the world slid by in a series of pregnant smiles that I never stayed still long enough to see activated. Because I was working.

    Mars Square Neptune: I don’t have the energy/money/time to source addictive substances. Even when surrounded by them. Substances = Sleep (I can take anything & the result is always me under a doona). Lazy. Go with the flow. Tree-hugger. Dancing deva. Aggressively pacifist.
    I shall CRY you into submission with my chaotic, teary anger.

    I have Neptune/ 6th House in Sagittarius (+ Pisces rules my 9th House):
    Neptune wants to work! Haute Neptune focused on the Higher Learning plz.

    Neptune opposite my Asc: Lack of awareness about how I present to others, lost in translation, confusion about my impact on the world, blinders on, oversensitive to how I present, shyness, nebulousness, lost.
    A good place for the actor to learn from? What is my identity? Do I HAVE one with Gemini Rising anyway? “Oh alright, one drink then… omg, I can’t stop talking!!”.

    Neptune conjunct the DC: Care Packages. Practical partners & friends lend a hand. I do no harm! Mystical partners enchant. The unobtainable is attractive. Fantasy. Sexual Healing. Dumb blonde. Spiritual goals.

    Neptune trine MC trine Sun:
    Solar Neptune vibe – let it shine.

    Neptune sextile Pluto: Daftpunk – Lose yourself to Dance. 😉

  • Reply Methinky February 10, 2016 at 5:59 am

    I wrote a heap of stuff this morning and then my day got exponentially worse (I turned the photo me off for two hours for tears) and I am realising now that this is interesting Saturn/Neptune for me and possibly a good news day because now I can walk away from shitsy toxic job. Saturn is about to transit my natal Neptune in Saggo 7H which squares natal Virgo in Pisces 10h which is having Neptune transit. Natal sun/merc in same have already copped it and I think I got the message so many times over now, Today my work hit an all time new low and I’m now in the clock to ship out of current life (I have literally been wearing a little clock piece around my neck as my Saturn reminder for the last fortnight, it’s like I knew what was going on….) Of course I did. I have weaned myself off the drink again because it just hasn’t been working for me, I just can’t even! It is making me nutty lunatic and it just isn’t a good energy trade off to have shameover/hangover get in the way of authentic life things. And it feels gross. MM has warned me before to watch it with all that Pisces and water and mutable stuff going on, I now see what that means. Also, I am from an alcohol culture as well, Pisces dad (grand air trine) was a mad drinker, as are most of my family. So much emotional abuse through the generations. It’s the thing you do at every occasion – good day, bad day, birth, wedding, funeral….. Right??! Hmm,,
    Back to the present. Also so much synchronicity. I called a wrong number on Monday and a lady I know picked up, a former neighbour and very good interior designer. She pledged details,of a feng shui lady she works with and I gave her two book titles. I found out that i I have two art works by her mother, both of which are in my bedroom. So random/not random.

  • Reply Meredith February 10, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    I am Moon-Neptune, 3rd house Sagittarius Neptune, square 12th house Virgo Moon. I think this could explain my 8 year self-medicating with Marijuana. I loved to vocally support this herb too, and all of it’s benefits. However, about 5 years ago I gave it up cold turkey – as I came to the realization that I didn’t truly have any of the health problems that warranted the smoking of marijuana – and instead I was just using it as a coping mechanism for a lot of psychological pain. I felt that it made me better at everything I did, when really it just sort of dulled me and made me complacent with things I would otherwise not be good with. It also helped that Uranus was transiting my descendant in Pisces during that time so I had some revolutionary energy on my side.

    I think mostly though this placement in my chart is a huge indicator of the predisposition of addictive-types that I have met during my life; mostly being family members – and HOW I will/would cope and deal with them. With Neptune in the 3h of Communication, I’ve been very vocal about how I feel about addiction and had no trouble distancing myself and being very discerning about the types of people I would associate myself with, Virgo Moon is selective… and the soul sector is very personal and well sacred, so it’s always been important for me to say – This is why I am distancing you, and this is why I am OK with it. I suppose my moon emotionally can’t deal with addictive behaviors and all of the drama it entails. Just too sensitive. My father is an alcoholic, and was intoxicated pretty much 24/7 until I was about 11, and he gave it up cold turkey. And then instead of being addicted to alcohol, he and my mother became addicted to religion. Church 24/7. It’s sad to look back on ‘little me’ and see how I was at the mercy of my parents decisions. Any child really is at the mercy of the parents decisions. It was good to be 18, and on my own and making my own decisions at last. Now – it was up to me to manage addictive tendencies.

    Several years ago in the early 2000’s I filed a march-man act on my younger sister who was involved in very heavy drugs while she was pregnant. She hated me for it initially, and then later loved me for it. I cared for her 6 month old child while she spent 6 months in rehabilitation. While it was painful for me to watch her be taken away to rehab, and separated from her daughter, it was less painful to watch what she was doing to herself and her unborn child.

    Some could say Moon-Neptune is drawn to addictive behavior, and I can see how in so many ways I could make decisions that lead me down those paths. I think it’s why when I find myself stuck in a routine, I have a big urge to break out of it and change things up. It’s easy to get complacent, so it takes effort to bust that up and keep things moving in the right direction.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 13, 2016 at 8:35 pm

      You sound amazing!!!!

      What is a marchman act? And when you gave up the dream weed, that was Neptune into Pisces, is that a point in your chart? 6th House i am thinking.

      AND yes Uranus transits are amazing for that sudden – WOW fuq it drastic leap of evolution. Usually nobody around you gets it so you just change your Everything.

      If you’re looking for a break out position, look to your Uranus and just work that like a mo-fo. ALSO Uranus opposite your Asc is huge AND uranus is anti any “numbing” energy. Sure you get your Uranus-style drug addicts but in general, Uranus likes snappy synapses and to pull off sensational moves. Plus Uranus energy likes to be ahead of the zeitgeist – i know an ex-total-drug-fiend who gave up everything during Uranus over his MOon – weed, alcohol, cocaine, something else he was into i forget (MDMA?), sugar, gluten, dairy – because he said he decided they were plebian.

      But seriously, way to work your chart energies at a really high level and

      • Reply Meredith February 14, 2016 at 11:10 pm

        Spot on about Neptune into the 6th, Mystic! And thank you!! That’s really encouraging. I’m really getting my entire 6H worked by Neptune right now (& with Saturn in my Sun sign to boot). Neptune went 0 degrees Pisces a week after I put down the herb (5 years ago), my 6H cusp is 1 degree Pisces. Pisces is double duty for me, on the cusp of 6h & 7h – 29 degrees. So you can imagine Uranus transiting that 7h cusp around the same time. A year and a half ago I was diagnosed with an auto immune disease which has had a huge impact on my diet too (gluten free, and so forth). So it’s like this one long singular transition period – impacting energy and general health. It’s created some upheaval but I feel there’s a lesson in all of this.

        I’m definitely honing in on Uranus right now, and how I can use/direct that energy in my life and over the next 5-10 years. I’m currently neck deep in “The Gods of Change” by Howard Sasportas. I want to make the most of these long-term transits. I’m on this whole “purpose” kick – which is so very Aries-Uranus in itself. The next big Uranus transit heading toward me is in opposition to natal Mercury and Natal Uranus (conjunct) in Scorpio – so I guess this is where things are going to get really interesting!

        And also – A Marchman Act is a petition filed with the Clerk of the Court when there’s good reason to believe an individual is substance-abuse impaired and because of that impairment, has lost the power of self-control with respect to substance use. In most cases there is a hearing – but in the case of pregnancy, that hearing is overridden and the individual is basically “collected” and taken off to a rehabilitation facility – usually very quickly, I think for my sister it was the very next day, an officer and his team came to pick up my sister. It’s basically, emergency services and temporary detention for substance abuse evaluation and treatment when required, either on a voluntary or involuntary basis.

  • Reply scorpio_rising February 10, 2016 at 12:42 pm

    I have Neptune natal Scorpio as RDJ but in my 1st House rather than the 4th. Both of my parents weren’t addicts nor alcoholics. Both very moderate 50’s type of parents. Both musicians. So I’m shocked neither had any addictions.
    My dad was raised by an abusive drunk step-father so I think he vowed never to end up like him.
    I never struggled with any addictions but dated several. I’m a magnet for abusive addicts.
    I have Neptune opposition with Saturn. Maybe that has something to do with it. Natal Saturn in my 7th House in Taurus.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 13, 2016 at 8:30 pm

      Yes Saturn keeps Neptune in check rather well & beautiful your parents did haute Neptune!

  • Reply anpan February 10, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    Ok, so as I’ve mentioned previously in the hacks, I’m a dentist. A recent lecture I attended was being put on by a well-known name in dentistry, Dr. Stanley Malamed. He literally wrote THE book on medical emergencies in dentistry and his lectures centred on drugs for medical emergencies and the use of anaesthestic. The info he shared about the early days of anaesthetic usage was SO interesting to me. A lot of the anaesthetic pioneers became addicts. I made charts for Malamed and the historical figures he mentioned (like William Morton, Horace Wells, WS Halsted), and the Neptune signatures in their charts were pretty interesting. I thought it was an interesting twist on the Neptune-drug/addiction theme.

    • Reply anpan February 11, 2016 at 12:01 am

      I mean, interesting that these Neptunians (do you call people that?) brought the “drugs” to others, for immense benefit to humanity. (Without anaesthesia, surgery as we know it today would not exist.) And now, Neptune spreads the message of proper and safe drug usage.

    • Reply Isis February 12, 2016 at 4:25 pm

      That is so interesting! Did you notice any patterns in those Neptune signatures?

      • Reply anpan February 13, 2016 at 1:47 pm

        I have no exact birth times, so just from birth days and place, I’d say the most striking ones would be:

        The speaker, Malamed, has a T-square with Pisces Sun/Merc opp Libra Neptune (wide orb), pointing at Mars/Saturn in Gemini. And his Neptune sextiles Pluto/North node in Gemini. And this guy writes and gives lectures on (medical) drug use.

        Horace Wells was a respected dentist who was possibly one of the first dentists to use anaesthetic. He was humiliated when a public demonstration failed, which seem to trigger a downward spiral. He ended up addicted to chloroform while experimenting with it, threw some acid on some prostitutes while high, ended up in jail and committed suicide.
        He has a kite involving mostly every planet, but notably with Neptune/Mars/Uranus opp Moon. Neptune also squares Pluto.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 13, 2016 at 8:29 pm

      that is so fascinating, And yes, no matter how good everything else is, a square involving Neptune is not good for surgery – unless, obviously, you have to have but you would not choose it for an elective date. Neptune = anaesthesia. I have Neptune trine all my stuff in Pisces and square my Asc, i go on shamanic trips with dental gas, like i can see multiple layers of time and things. My doctor says it is to with MTHFR gene mutation

  • Reply Anchors Away February 11, 2016 at 1:30 am

    I’m currently 3/4 the way through Neptune the Quest for Redemption by Liz Greene and it’s AMAZING. I baulked at buying it for a long time because it’s pricey but I didn’t realise it’s 400 odd pages long, so very indepth. There have been several times when it’s resonated so hard I got goosebumps. Highly recommended for anyone with Neptune issues or an interest in trying to understand what it means.
    Neptune conjunct Midheaven, square Asc/Mars, trine Jupiter.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa February 13, 2016 at 8:27 pm

      that is interesting – i read her Saturn book years ago and find it dour but fascinating…What is her key concept re Neptune? I read an essay by her ages ago that connected with that search for meaning, quest for the Holy Grail and all.

      For those of you not familiar with her work, Liz Greene is like the pre-eminent Jungian astrologer and a pioneer in helping people see planetary energy as not so much things happening to you but as inner archetypes being awoken.

      • Reply Anchors Away February 19, 2016 at 8:12 pm

        Hey Mystic. I’ve also read the Saturn book and while it was interesting I didn’t find there was much meat to it, mainly just house placements/aspects.
        The Neptune book covers way more ground – mythology, psychology, Neptune and the collective (religion, politics, art). The key concept is definitely the yearning for fusion with source. The feeling of bewilderment at having to deal with the harsh realities of life, leading to the need to escape by any means possible. It’s been a real eye opener for me.

  • Reply Kellie February 16, 2016 at 3:00 am

    Wow I’m late to the party. Life is cuh-razy at the mo. Great reading through everyone’s responses though.

    Just quickly: I have Neptune in Sagg (8th), square Mercury at 8 Pisces (so yes, Neptune is currently sitting on it in the 11th); square my Moon in Virgo; trine Pluto in Libra; semisquare Venus in Cap.

    I’m not super in drink or drugs (except for when in my late teens/early 20’s). Alcohol tends to make me down and moody so I’ve learned to be cautious. These days I turn more to poetry or meditation.

    What I’m interested in is the transiting Neptune conjunct my Mercury (and square my neptune, opposing my moon). I’ve started wanting to revisit some of the philosophers I toyed with years ago and never really got (especially Bourdieu and Guattari). I’ve just started a job that might be great, might be completely disfunctional (bad group dynamics). I keep thinking I should start swimming laps even though I am not good at it/find it intensely boring. I have a strong urge to live apart from my partner- I’d like to go live up a mountain, alone.

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