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Mastering The Elements In Astrology

Mastering The Elements In Astrology

The Elements in Astrology are a brilliant basic building block with which to construct your knowledge of astrology.

Fire, Earth, Air and Water – Which is your dominant astrological element? Which is your least assertive? The insights gleaned from this are invaluable.  A small example from my chart: I am a triple Pisces – Water – but i have Mercury (my talk style) in Aries (Fire) so i often sound like an Aries and my self-expression is super Fire BUT at core level, I am Water and thus intuitive, solitude craving and not so pugnacious as my sometimes brash transmission might suggest.

Getting a grip on the elemental make-up of yourself and of others gives you a winning edge. You’ll understand that your super-Earth relative meditates everything via gut instinct and needs to sit with things (think “tree”) or put down roots before accepting something. Whereas Fire? You CAN talk them into something with dazzling repartee. Water needs to feel there is a simpatico emotional rapport for trusting you – Air would flip and fly the other way at such evidence of sogginess.

Many people have an even sprinkling of all – but many of us are heavily weighted toward one or two elements.  The old-fashioned “compatibility” theories are based on the Elements in Astrology – fellow elemental types are all thought to get along together. Aries with Leo and Sagittarius as they are all Fire signs and so on.

The Astrological Elements are just like they sound: Fire, Earth, Air and Water.

The Elements are known as the triplicities as there are three signs in each. They divide the zodiac into four groups of three based on the 120 degree trine, one of each modality, all the same polarity. It that’s confusing, don’t Panic. Just read on.

The Four Elements In Astrology

Fire represents pure energy and inspiration.  They are the fastest conductors.  Fire tends to be the most naturally active, giving and receiving energy freely.  A person with the Sun in pragmatic Taurus who has fiery Aries rising will have quicker and more immediate energy than if the Ascendant were in the earthy Capricorn. With a strong emphasis of Fire, physical activity is important. All that conducted energy needs to move and forms of expression that are playful and challenging suit best:  Sports, competitions, adventure walks, biking, martial arts and creative pursuits like dance, music (especially drumming) and active theatre.
The next most conductive element is the mental and relationship oriented Air signs. These are intellectual signs, and although they conduct life force quickly, they can also dissipate it equally as fast through the release of nervous energy.  The mind can wear the body out if time is not given to physical activities that burn up the adrenaline.  Strong Air in the chart can fuel the vital force through disciplines that contain a component of intrigue, philosophy or historical tradition.  They need physical activities that also stretch the intellect: field study and research of all kinds, martial arts, acting, horseback riding, hunting, ballet, games of strategy or Olympic sports fit the criteria.

Next in line of conductivity come the sensitive and feeling Water. Here energy conducts unpredictably. (Consider what happens when a live wire falls into a stream!)  This element can diffuse though (osmosis), and energy levels may be up and down, like the ebb and flow of the tides. Water also takes on the energy of the immediate environment, always seeking the lowest common denominator, mirroring the joy or sorrow, health or dysfunction of those around them. Activities that support water’s conduction of the vital force include anything that awakens the feelings and capture the imagination:  Music, poetry, dance, artistic pursuits, relationships, water sports of all kind, surfing, sailing, swimming, skiing, snow boarding, scuba diving, and activities done in emotionally clear and non-manipulative environments.

The pragmatic and solid Earth are the ‘resistors’.  They ground energy as opposed to conduct it.  Those born with strong Earth emphasis can be slower to develop in childhood, but strengthen as they mature (esp Virgo and Capricorn).  Diet is important here, as it can be hard, at first, to assimilate nutrition.  The vital force will increase naturally with time and may be supported and fuelled by encouraging earthy activities like gardening, pottery, sculpting and building (arts and crafts).  The pursuit of a martial art or yoga can teach those with Earth rising how to animate and conduct chi energy.  They may find they act as an essential grounding force for those around them, especially the versatile air and the exuberant fire signs.

Feed Your Elements

By nurturing the basic energy drives of the elements, you can help improve and sustain good health and connection to your core values.  Astrologer/author Stephen Arroyo said, “Everyone has to feed themselves at the air, fire, earth and water levels.”   A predominance of Fire needs activity and exhilaration.  Earth wants to ground energy in practical ways.  Air wants a diet of mental stimulation and Water needs a pool of feelings to immerse in.  Feeding yourself at this level is vital to well being.

1) Explore your elemental emphasis, adding up what you have with the 10 planets, and seeing which one predominates. You may want to include the Ascendant too. If it’s a tie, let the sun and/or moon tip the scales.

2) Find your chart tone by adding up the Elements and Modalities. Take the highest of each and find the one sign your combo represents  – ie abundance of AIR with abundance Fixed signs = fixed Air or Aquarius. If you have mostly Fire and Cardinal, your chart tone is Aries.

To find the chart tone, count up the modalities (cardinal, fixed and mutable). Doing this by hand, in your note book, will give you more practice writing the glyphs, which helps you connect with their symbolic meaning.

Create a graph and write in all ten planets, putting them in the correct column  and row for the element and modality they fall into. You’ll have a list that looks something like this:

Screen Shot 2015-09-14 at 12.19.34 pmAdd up your top scores (4 Fire and 5 Fixed in this case) and note which sign is that element and modality, ie Fixed Fire = Leo. We say Leo is her chart tone, even though she has no natal planets in that sign.

Sometimes the Chart Tone is a different element or modality to the Sun sign. It can actually explain a lot!

Generally speaking, if you are – say – super Earth or all Air element, you will be comfortable with your dominant element but the area you’re lacking in could be where you are insecure or just not interested. But when one of your personal planets progresses into that element, things tend to come into your life (synchronicity) that help you to master that element.  You can also draw in people strong in that element who help you to awaken and balance your own elemental vibe!

Think also a la how the old healers and early medicinal people thought of people as having four “humours” or temperaments, the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator and Jung’s classification of people into “cognitive” types – Thinking, Feeling, Sensation and Intuition. These all link into the four astrological elements of Fire, Air, Earth and Water.  The Minor Arcana of the Tarot is all totally elemental – Wands are Fire, Pentacles Earth, Swords Air and Cups Water. I sometimes wonder if the reason Swords get such a bad rap in Tarot is because thinking/talking/writing (Air) was dangerous in medieval times.

FYI: there is a FIFTH element – Quintessence – and in Chinese Astrology/Feng Shui/Medicine, there are five elements: Earth, Wood, Fire, Water and Metal.

Read More On Mystic Medusa: Everyday Elemental Magic

And Elemental Imbalances

* Planetary placements in the chart aren’t always fully realized in the individual, but can often be seen in characters they play, write or cheer for, people they relate to or even events they attract.

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  • Reply Sagitta September 15, 2015 at 10:49 am

    My chart is definitely Earth, but I have a tie: Fixed vs. Mutable. So is my chart tone Taurus or Virgo? I came down on the side of Taurus because the Sun and Moon are both in Fixed signs.

    A pic of my analysis:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/oajzb6t52j5mdft/SagittaChartTone%20-%20Copy.PNG?dl=0

    I am perfectly happy to be Toro (got my Jupiter there– BIG fan!) but I wonder how many Toros would actually accept me as one. I get a feeling they’d think of me as cuckoo. (I have an Aqua moon– I am VERY open-minded.)

    I have at least one Toro colleague at work, who gives me a certain LOOK, and I know at once I am talking too fast and spewing too many ideas. Then I take a few slow sips from my drink, murmur “hmm, so good,” deepening my voice from its normal high-pitched rabbit-squeak, and say nothing for a minute –and he is visibly relieved.

    • Reply ICPluto September 15, 2015 at 11:58 am

      Well, there is something Toro in the way you use your senses there- the cue from your colleague´s look, the sips you take from your drink. And being aware how you use your voice, wow that is super Toro territory. Jupiter is the boss of your chart, no Toro can blackball you into the club 🙂

    • Reply Oneirix September 15, 2015 at 3:08 pm

      I am so tickled by imagining that scene at work! 🙂 But that spreadsheet? That screams Virgo to me. Same with the fast-talking idea-generating. Every Virgo I’ve met has been very interested in the details, and talking about the details, and expounding upon the details…

      • Reply Sagitta September 15, 2015 at 8:03 pm

        IC, I’m with Oneirix—my intuition says my chart tone is Virgo. With my colleague, I was not so much using my senses like a Toro, but Virgo-like, noticing details –such as the beads of sweat popping on his brow– and helpfully giving him signals that would make him feel safe. 🙂

        As I said, I have doubts about my Cow-Credentials; Toros will probably stampede if they see me coming their way.

        Virgos, on the other hand, will give me a once-over, whip out their spreadsheet and go: Helpful? Check. Punctual? Check. Polite? Check. Uncluttered home? Check. Updated Calendar and To-do List? Check. Grammar groover? Check. Then they will nod graciously, pin an “Honorary Virgo” badge on me, and offer me tea and cookies.

        I will grab those cookies, tie a blanket around my neck, and party like Henry VIII– then Virgos will suddenly realize– too late!– that Another Item Must Be Added to the Virgo-ness Elimination Spreadsheet.

  • Reply Faith September 15, 2015 at 4:05 am

    Awesome!
    So I’ve got three fire planets, and also three air planets, but also have AC in air which would push that to four. I think though, I have my sun in fire(Aries) and my moon in air – so would probably mean that I’m more air, right? Yet, I feel very much that I’m both. And when I think about my chart tone – I’ve got 8 planets in Cardinal – it would mean that Cardinal Air is my chart tone aka. Libra.

    I find this MOST interesting… because Libra is a sign I don’t understand that well at all, probably the least of all the signs. And i actually find this weird thing where I find Librans hard to ‘click’ with even though we get along on a superficial level, there’s no psychic connection. Don’t know why this is.

    • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 2:00 pm

      Probably because Libra is opposite Aries (your sun sign and other option for chart tone). Think of your sun opposite as the ‘shadow’ sign. (Jungians can chime in here). It represents aspects of yourself that aren’t easy to identify with, but when you do, you start to feel more whole, more complete.

      I’m thinking Aries tone. What’s on the cusp of your 7th? Saggo or Leo?

      • Reply Sian September 15, 2015 at 8:55 pm

        Yes maybe you are more the fire tone. But ditto, I came up with an Aquarius tone and Aqua is the sign I know the least! Also interesting, my two closest friends are Cancerians, opposite of my Cap. We can blab to each other for hours about everything 🙂

        • Reply Faith September 15, 2015 at 11:22 pm

          Yeah that’s really interesting isn’t it. I do find that I get on with Librans really well, but there is a psychic disconnect somewhere, like a discomfort – but I think that’s me probably not being comfortable with that Libran shadow part of myself, so I’m projecting it?

          • Sian September 16, 2015 at 2:19 am

            Ok and my boss who is horrid is Aqua so I was immediately disappointed about my chart tone. I can see us studying up on these signs we don’t know too well with a frenzy, maybe we’ll find that connect 🙂

      • Reply Faith September 15, 2015 at 11:19 pm

        Saggo 🙂 Yes I think you’re right, definitely feel like I’m more of an Aries tone. That makes sense about Libra… will have to do some self-exploration.

      • Reply LC December 7, 2016 at 3:52 pm

        Well, just like Faith, I’m blown away by this. My chart says Cardinal Air – Libra (Sag on 7th cusp). But I’m an Aries Sun, I have always found Librans hard to understand, to whisy washy, and could never quite connect – I always want to shout ‘What do you mean woman!” – I’m so confused as to how Libra shows up in me! Another surprise, I always identified myself as a Gryffindor (Harry Potter) but the quiz on a Pottermore put me in Hufflepuff. Whatthe! Thats like Libra to me! I don’t even know who I am anymore! lol 🙂

  • Reply Rebecca September 15, 2015 at 4:08 am

    I think I have got it! I have 5 Air signs and 5 Mutable signs(tie breaker using the AC). So I guess the Mutable Air sign is Gemini. I am sun Gemini so it fits for me with the tone of my chart.

    • Reply Kimmy September 16, 2015 at 6:43 pm

      That sounds right, Shadow. Now, how do you feed your mutable Air?

  • Reply Rosa September 15, 2015 at 4:41 am

    Oh cool. I’m an even split between fire and earth and mutable outweighs cardinal by 1. I do identify with mutable fire Sagittarius as it is my Sun, Mercury, Venus and MC. Interestingly enough my DC is in Virgo – which can also be summed up for me from the tone of my chart. Capricorns also generally tend to like me as I have half my planets (including Moon) there.

    I did this for my boyfriend and he is my opposite – he’s air and water dominant, fixed ouweighing cardinal by 1. Maybe we fill in the gaps/deficiencies for each other hehe – interesting to notice this!

    What a fun exercise 🙂

    • Reply Faith September 15, 2015 at 1:39 pm

      That’s so cool that your boyfriend is opposite – must be perfectly complementary!

      • Reply Rosa September 15, 2015 at 4:21 pm

        Haha, thanks faithfaustus. Just something I noticed there.

        The least prevalent idea in my chart regarding tone would be Fixed Air = Aquarius. My bf is an Aquarius rising and fixed is his most prevalent modality and air is tied as his most prevalent element with water. So now – although he’s a Libra, I do regard him has also an Aquarius/Scorpio type as well. Where as I’m a Sagittarius/Virgo type.

        This makes sense. My mister is definitely the innovative & eccentric + intense & deeply emotional kind.

    • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 10:47 pm

      I thought I’d check that angle as well and interestingly enough my partner comes up mutable earth!? He’s got 3 to my 5. I am not entirely sure this fits given he’s a Sun, Mercury, Asc Saggi and if I include the Asc he’s mutable fire. I know we’re not doing that but he goes and goes and is way more active than me. With his Cardinal water I think I may have to reconsider my missing elements again and reading further down what Kimmy said about being projecting an element might actually fit when I think about his fire compared to mine. He’s fire and earth but he has more water.Very interesting.

      I like that you’ve naturally balanced in partnership 🙂

      • Reply Rosa September 16, 2015 at 1:55 am

        Oh cool stuff, Centaurus! It’s a different way to look at things, methinks.
        It’s interesting how you and your partner take on mutable fire in different ways due to the other existing elements. I’ve read how you don’t do excessive chaos and that interests me. As a sun, mercury, venus Sagg with Gemini Mars and a bunch of stuff in Capricorn – chaos seems to be something I’m rather ok at haha.

        • Reply Sue September 16, 2015 at 2:23 am

          Ok on the chaos thing.. I guess first it’s a choice not to have it but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t knock on my door or My entice for attention. I have some folk in my life that thrive on it. My Venus/Mars/Moon is in Cap and that might give me an edge with balancing varying emotions of both polarities and using my intuition pragmatically though it is 9th (which I’m only just assimilating as I thought it was my 9th.. making me 8th Saggi.. identity crisis!) so perhaps so with a big pic view on finding a collectively useful outcome for all. I doubt it’s that simple somehow. I had loads of chaos growing up. Now I think I work my ascendant more and go the Toro peace path where I can think about what I need to serve me in all aspects, which will ultimately serve others.. even if they don’t initially think or say so. I also believe that when I buy into drama or chaos I’m not grounded and present.. and same applies when I’m creating it for myself. And that is also working my NN in the 1st even if it’s in Gem 🙂

          • Sue September 16, 2015 at 2:24 am

            random *My* insertion but you’ll figure it 🙂

          • Rosa September 16, 2015 at 4:37 pm

            Haha yep! Good stuff! Ohh Venus, Mars and Moon in Cap – totally have that need for a practical system! My mother has Mars and Venus in Cap and she’s great at organizing. I’m thinking due to my Mars in Gemini and Asc in Pisces I tend to be a child of chaos. Don’t get too worried about a sense of order and I’m not much of a planner – I welcome the unpredictable.. and I am rather unpredictable hehe.

  • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 4:45 am

    I’m a mutable earth which would make my chart tone Virgo.

    As a Saggi Sun with a Toro Asc and Cap moon the earth aspect isn’t such a surprise as I have 5 earth and 6 mutable for my high counts.

    Ok.. so I had a think about this and I’m a bit of a perfectionist, have an eye for detail (or a critical eye), treat my accessories (see style your Asc) as talismans and can do the appearance of thrown together effortlessly but impeccably chosen outfit. No, I will not buy crap either. I can be organised, have an interest in natural health and mind body spirit health balance and often get called a witch or.. like at my local health food shop they greeted me from the get go as ‘hello fellow magician’ and gave me a magician’s discount heehee 🙂

    So my Mercury is in Saggi.. and this sort of amplifies the Mercurial vibe I have too. I’ve just been reading more on Pluto/Hades/Hermes and the myths of the underworld today and Hermes as a guide taking people to and from the underworld kind of fits too.. but one has to follow the rules and structure set and I’m all kind of Virgo on that, it has to be done right and I can pretty much guarantee we all get out alive 🙂

    Another fascinating layer to a chart that fits. Neat!

    That last word.. spoken like a true Virgo lol. I’m not so fussed on the impeccable neatness but I don’t do excessive chaos.

    • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 2:10 pm

      I just had a quick look at my missing elements.

      I’m missing Cardinal Fire/Air/Water and Fixed Fire/Air/Earth.

      When I thought about this I have a 3 Cardinal earth so that adds quite a bit of Cardinal energy though perhaps not balanced or consistent.

      I also have Fixed Earth as my Asc so I’ve crossed that off as a missing element. I have Fixed fire on the IC and then Fixed Air on the MC. I don’t know if that would go some ways to making up the energy.

      Ultimately if I had to say what I felt what I could do with a bit more of.. I might say Cardinal Air off the top of my head.

      • Reply ICPluto September 15, 2015 at 3:05 pm

        You should try dervish dance 🙂 Active meditation to achieve balance.

        • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 4:05 pm

          That is soooo bizarre! I was thinking Cardinal Fire in my head and I wrote Cardinal Air!?!

          I do walking meditations though.. and I love that. I’ve done chakra dance too and even my swimming was a meditative exercise as is yoga but I’ve not tried the dervish 🙂

          • Rosa September 15, 2015 at 4:14 pm

            Cool way to think, Centaurus – to see what you’re missing/what is your lowest element/class 🙂

          • Sue September 15, 2015 at 10:00 pm

            Thanks GreenEyes 🙂 but I have to say it was based on reading something ICP wrote that prompted me.

            As a natal Mercury rets the shadow zone is sometimes a strange place to wander when it comes to thought processes. Ordinarily I think it’d be obvious to me but at the mo my wiring is working in a rather convoluted disjointed way but (grins) I’m going for the ride anyways.. in my own whirling derv style!

        • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 7:27 pm

          I like that idea!

    • Reply mlynnm September 19, 2015 at 9:27 pm

      Wow! I am a Sag Sun, Taurus Asc, Capricorn Moon, Sag Mercury… MUTABLE VIRGO. 5 Earth and 6 Mutable.

      Our charts must nearly exactly line up. I look forward to reading future posts from you. I have so much Virgo in my chart that I am learning to work with, I appreciate your insights and can relate to much of what you have said.

  • Reply Karen September 15, 2015 at 5:09 am

    if we can’t count Chiron I have NO FIRE!!!! Nil. Waaaah 😯

    Anyway, this is new…I’m all cardinal earth, so Capricorn! Woot! Make way 😉

    • Reply Faith September 15, 2015 at 1:40 pm

      Oh wow, you’re like the Harrison Ford example, except he’s got no air. Do you feel that you’re missing fire, or is this kind of news to you?

      • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 2:20 pm

        Love this question. It can be so insightful to explore the “low count” element/modality as much as the predominance.

      • Reply Karen September 15, 2015 at 8:44 pm

        hi Faithfaustus,

        I’ve known this for a while but I’ve always counted Chiron in the past, and I have Mars in Cap, conjunct Kali and in flowing aspect to Neptune, Pluto, Moon and AC, so I think that gives me some fiery strength.

        Nonetheless, yes, I do feel lacking in get up and go sometimes, and I wonder if I should cultivate fire by doing fire things or do things to nurture earth and air, which are my strongest elements. I do love nature and art.

        I have a fire blend incense which I burn sometime to introduce this element into my home, and almost all my best friends are fire signs – predominantly Leos.

        I enjoyed learning about my chart tone in this hack as I don’t have anything else in Cap bar Mars, so I would never have guessed this.

        • Reply Kimmy September 16, 2015 at 6:47 pm

          That’s the surprise, isn’t it? When we find the sign isn’t actually represented in the chart.

        • Reply Fauness September 17, 2015 at 3:44 pm

          Yeah, this no Chiron stuff is throwing me for a loop! More so with my chart pattern, but it also takes away my t-square. It’s ok though, I’m getting a fresh perspective.

  • Reply Kellie September 15, 2015 at 5:10 am

    Ok I have 5 air, 5 cardinal (counting the AC for the modalities). Yes, I would say I’m a person of strong opinions 🙂

    • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 7:29 pm

      If you include the Asc, that’s great, but you have to include it by both Element and Modality.

      You probably did this, but just making sure.

      • Reply Kellie September 16, 2015 at 3:09 am

        Yes. If I don’t count it I end up with an equal number of cardinal and mutable signs (4 of each). The AC contribute to the fire elements (3 with it), then 5 air, 3 earth, 1 water.
        Thanks!

        • Reply Kellie September 16, 2015 at 3:10 am

          Sorry I mean 2 fire (I counted Chiron).

  • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 5:16 am

    Ok, so I’ve had a ponder on Harrison’s chart too. He’s got equal measure of mutable and cardinal qualities and it’s a bit of a hard one to call ..

    Cardinal being an initiating energy and people with a heavy influence of this element can be full of drive and ambition. They like to start things and may not always finish them.

    Mutable energy is flexible, adaptable, resourceful and also enjoys learning. They can be well liked by others. They can also be inconsistent.

    So.. I have to say the water element was throwing me off a bit all the planets in Cancer and I also think Gemini would be brilliant in Harrison’s career but since his Ascendant is also Libra I’m going to have to lean toward Cardinal.

    • Reply ICPluto September 15, 2015 at 5:27 am

      Centaurus, I see Harrison being Cardinal Water, especially with his luminaries strongly placed in Kataka. I´m biased, but I would give him a good dose of Fixed Earth – “here, have some Toro for you” 🙂

      • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 5:33 am

        That’s my ascendant so I’m down with that 🙂

        I think the Mars/Leo adds something to the mix but I refrained from Virgo-ing out on the over analysis. Oops.. no.. I failed. I mentioned it lol.

        • Reply ICPluto September 15, 2015 at 5:55 am

          I think he needs some “Virgo-ing out” as well, look at his NN!

          That Leo Mars may have allowed him to maintain his sex symbol status for a long time. And look at that sextile to his Gemini Venus 🙂

          • Sue September 15, 2015 at 1:46 pm

            Hehe.. I hadn’t noted the sextiles but that would add to his charm factor.

            And.. I was definitely a bit wiped last night from expending lots of mental energy because when I re-read your comment this morning it was just so much funnier (or I was) as I hadn’t considered ‘fixed earth’ so only got half the joke. I was sitting there.. without drawing a graph.. lazy me.. thinking to myself all the elements are there.. which is missing and then having a brain short circuit. So obvs! Haha x

          • Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 3:19 pm

            Good point with the sex symbol. Whenever Mars is in aspect to Venus, esp conjunct but exact, in Harrison’s case is super potent, you get a very sexy vibe. Always!

      • Reply Geeta September 15, 2015 at 10:31 am

        Am I doing something wrong? I thought his chart was definitely Earth, and the question was whether he was Cardinal or Fixed.

        I came down on the side of Cardinal because he has AC, Sun, and Moon–all three in Cardinal.

        So my take was Cardinal Earth = Capricorn.

        Here’s a pic of my analysis:

        https://www.dropbox.com/s/4jvh2emq0sn0tvs/HarrisonFordChartTone%20-%20Copy.PNG?dl=0

        • Reply Sagitta September 15, 2015 at 10:36 am

          He doesn’t have anything in Capricorn, but as Kim mentioned, he seems to play “Capri-style” characters. Indiana Jones, for instance, and the President in Air Force One.

          • Sagitta September 15, 2015 at 11:24 am

            Oh, I see what I did wrong! I ignored the icons for the signs and just looked at the sign on the cusp.

            Yes, ICPluto, he doesn’t have anything in Fixed Earth. He has 5 Cardinals and the conflict is between his 4 Air (planets+AC) and 4 Water planets.

            That means his chart tone is Cancer, not Libra, if we use Sun and Moon in Cancer to tip the analysis.

            Well, Cancer’s the exact opposite of my initial reading. Darn, there goes my interpretation.

            Indiana Jones as a nurturing Cancer? Hmmm. . . I’m not feeling it. What do you think, IC?

          • Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 7:31 pm

            I think Harrison, on some level, is a very nurturing Cancer.

            His Jupiter on the MC probably comes out a lot in the character of Indiana Jones.

          • Sagitta September 15, 2015 at 8:38 pm

            Of course! Jupiter on the MC would account for how he well he does that globe-trotting adventurer-professor Saggo thing! (And that Fedora is probably a bandanna in disguise!)

        • Reply ICPluto September 15, 2015 at 10:40 am

          Saggita, I see:
          Mercury, Jupiter, Sun, Moon in Cardinal Water Cancer

          Uranus, Saturn Venus in Mutable Air Gemini
          Pluto, Mars in Fixed Fire Leo

          Neptune in Mutable Earth Virgo

          AC Cardinal Air Libra

          So, I assumed he lacked Fixed Earth.

          • ICPluto September 15, 2015 at 10:43 am

            I looked at the signs glyphs between the degrees and minutes.

    • Reply Keith September 15, 2015 at 6:25 am

      Dunno about him but l gotta thing for his partner.

      • Reply Sagitta September 15, 2015 at 11:47 am

        Calista is my celeb-astro-twin! I have almost exactly the same placements except for the degrees on the AC/MC –plus her Jupiter’s in 5th and mine’s in 6th.

        https://www.dropbox.com/s/puwrfo28vs1d2ji/CalistaSagittaComparison%20-%20Copy.png?dl=0

        Unlike me, she also has a lovely sun-moon-venus sextile. I guess that’s why– among other things– she’s skinny and I’m roly-poly. 🙂

        • Reply ICPluto September 15, 2015 at 11:53 am

          How cool is that? He is totally after her Toro Jupiter lol Be careful, Saggita! 🙂

          I think the Cap style analysis makes sense for his career – his characters mix his dominant modality (Cardinal) and project his lacking element (Earth). He always plays super dependable guys. In his private life, I´d say Cancer-3 wives, 5 children.

          • Sagitta September 15, 2015 at 12:20 pm

            Agreed, the multiple wives and children sound like Cancer. But he was also a self-taught carpenter before his acting career took off– that is so “earthy”!

            No worries about the misspelling!

          • ICPluto September 15, 2015 at 11:54 am

            Sagitta, I always misspell your name. 🙁

          • Keith September 15, 2015 at 1:10 pm

            Have l missed something here? Cancers, multiple wives?
            I suppose life tosses up googlies but most Kataka men l know dream of a one and only partner. I know thats how l feel.

          • Sagitta September 15, 2015 at 1:34 pm

            Well, he was a serial monogamist–married to his first wife for 15 years, second wife for 18 years, and been with Calista since 2002. That is remarkable, considering how much pressure stardom puts on marriages.

          • ICPluto September 15, 2015 at 1:20 pm

            PF, my point was, as a Kataka, Harrison Ford *needs* to be coupled up. 3 legal commitments show the importance he gives to the idea of *the one and only*. In Hollywood, he could have chosen to go on dating and mating sans legal consequences, especially after his costly divorce. It wasn´t a criticism to Kataka men 🙂

          • Keith September 15, 2015 at 2:13 pm

            I understand. I’m cut the same way then. My astro screams partner. I have know it gutterally since l first crushed on Sally Feild when l was six. All good.

        • Reply Keith September 15, 2015 at 12:54 pm

          Templato perfecto almosto.

          • Sagitta September 15, 2015 at 1:44 pm

            I know–what a difference little things make!

            Venus on the MC in Libra.
            Venus trine the moon
            Venus sextile Mercury and the SouthNode
            Jupiter in the 5th house.

            Add it up: HOT actress

            VS.

            Mars on the MC in Virgo
            Mars square Mercury on the AC
            Mars opposing Saturn and the Moon
            Jupiter in the 6th house
            and
            Venus doing SQUAT. ZIP. NADA

            Add it up: ROLY-POLY Teacher

            Note:
            Happy Teacher in a stable marriage with two lovely children! No regrets.

    • Reply Fauness September 17, 2015 at 3:53 pm

      Your comment had me thinking. I feel more mutable now than I ever have before in my life. I am almost equal in fixed and mutable, but I think early life and circumstances pushed me to be this Saturnine (Saturn on the MC) but I actually think that Saturn in Scorp has amped up my mutable side. Maybe it has something to do with what Kimmy said about the outer planets. The lessons of Saturn crossing my watery Scorp Uranus ASC? Being more active and taking a more mutable approach to my energy? Uranus also moving from 5th house to 6th? Whatever it is, I’m enjoying being my mutable self.

  • Reply ICPluto September 15, 2015 at 5:18 am

    My chart tone is Fixed(5) Earth(5), so I guess I am a Toro in disguise 🙂

    Not very talented in activities like “gardening, pottery, sculpting and building (arts and crafts)”. I practice boxing, yoga and swimming, all going well with my Aries Sun, Gemini AC and Kataka Moon.

    I don´t have any elements missing, but if I had to find an area to improve, I reckon it would be Mutable Water. Coincidentally, my NN is in Pisces, so I am making a conscious effort to develop this.

    • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 5:38 am

      What about inner peace, serenity, hanging out with pets or in nature, listening or playing music? But.. being about being in the body too then boxing, yoga and swimming are all valid. The very nature of feeling.. hands through the water, glove to the target.. the stretching of limbs on a firm floor. That’s Taurus as much as it’s a great thing for Aries Sun.

      • Reply ICPluto September 15, 2015 at 6:06 am

        Thanks, Centaurus! Lately I´ve realized I needed to make another kind of connection- to achieve an inner balance.

        The idea of feet firmly on the ground is something I always valued deeply. It is curious that my punches are far from potent, but my legs carry me through endless rounds. In a true Ramzilla fashion I would like to win by KO and get done with it, but my strength lies in my endurance. If I were a professional fighter I would like to enter the ring by the sound of ZZ Top´s “She Got Legs”. But I digress lol 🙂

        • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 2:00 pm

          You’re welcome 🙂 Happy to be able to offer up something useful to you.

          I think that is integrating that Taurus element. Particularly endurance. I know given I’m all hoof in my luminaries and Asc (and a couple of long legs thank you Saggi) though mine don’t like to work out consistently.. that’s because I’m too damned mutable I suppose.

          If you got it over with straight away then you’d rob yourself of the endurance and the strut opportunities. I see it as a trade off and would therefore size up the opponent with a gaze that said.. ‘if you knew what I was thinking right now then you’d know I could KO you BUT I’m choosing to toy with you a little, work my bod a little and most importantly strut.. yeah.. see these… you know I know how to use them!’ 😉

          I also think that swimming is a great way to integrate mutable water. I hadn’t looked at my missing elements.. again, did the calculations in a mutable short cut way. Off to assess now…

  • Reply seawitchmermaid September 15, 2015 at 5:37 am

    My chart tone is Mutable. I tie with Sag and Pisces, but have a Pisces sun, so I suppose that tips the scales. (Interestingly, my Ascendant is the only air I have, and my moon the only earth). I think the Taurus moon does play a very large part in my personality, though. I don’t do so much for exercise per se, but have a fairly active lifestyle. I do want to get back into taking yoga classes though. Going to yoga feels like a luxury to me.

    • Reply seawitchmermaid September 15, 2015 at 5:38 am

      *Tips the scales to water, I mean.

      • Reply Keith September 15, 2015 at 6:22 am

        I like a Pisces tipping the …. scales

        • Reply Fauness September 17, 2015 at 4:04 pm

          I sea what you did there.

  • Reply FieryPhoenix September 15, 2015 at 5:47 am

    I’m heavily mutable (8, including AC) and Air dominant (6). (Gemini tone) And NO earth! Except AC. That’s me. Waaaay overthink things, not very grounded and prone to getting scattered if not managed with meditation and yoga etc but have flashes of insight and am pretty thinking / learning oriented. But interestingly, my main choice of exercise is swimming (and I loved rowing all those years ago) but only have 2 planets in water signs (one is Mercury so maybe that influences my Gemini tone and Virgo rising, being Mercury-ruled?) . I also love things like gardening and pottery for grounding.

    My question is if you are heavily earth do you need grounding at all with things like gardening? Ie. I find the best exercise and relaxing activities are those that boost up the elements I lack. I’m pretty fiery and air and often feel like I need to bring it down, ground it, soothe it. Does anyone else find this?

    Also, I have a south node Gemini. (And moon, Saturn and Mars).. How does this work with such a Gemini-oriented chart?

    • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 2:25 pm

      I’m a mutable and more earth, Mercurial and have Jupiter in Gem with a bit of focus on that. I can get in my head so fwiw I’ll share my views.

      Yes.. I need grounding and nature even with 5 earth planets and my Asc in earth. It’s sort of fundamental to my overall well being. I think the getting outdoors in nature assists my Saggi Sun as well.

      If I think about trying to soothe or bring down fire energy for myself I don’t always think of water. It’s cooling sure.. and I used to swim every morning for years.. but it can also put out fire or cause fire to surge to keep alight in a way so I’ve also worked in earth though it may come more naturally for me. I like a playful swim, a spa etc to chill but perhaps not exercise in water these days.What do you think there? Does incorporating water for exercise always chill you out or leave you feeling grounded?

      Are you saying that you aren’t really drawn to earth oriented pursuits such as gardening?

      One example of an alternate way to ground… maybe you could sit outside barefoot and read.. which would earth you (y’know balance magnetic polarities as well as connect you to the earth energies) and also satisfy having more than one thing on the go and be learning something.

      • Reply FieryPhoenix September 15, 2015 at 5:17 pm

        So true Cantaurus! Thank you! I forgot about hobbies as opposed to actual exercise..and reading wins every time. Favourite pursuit = lying outside in grass/on beach in shade reading. 🙂 Swimming I love (and yoga) as I feel more connected, calm and in my body afterwards while invigorated after all the laps. I’ll have to think further on why I love it so much. Maybe it grounds me in a way. And is an antidote to the overstimulation and tiredness that comes from mothering young kids.

        • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 10:03 pm

          Sounds like you’re doing earth to me! It’s also about peace and relaxation, well Toro in particular 🙂

          • Kimmy September 16, 2015 at 3:28 pm

            I like that, Centaurus – peace and relaxation. Lovely.

          • Fauness September 17, 2015 at 4:08 pm

            I have a Toro friend with a porch bed. Decided it would be preferable to lounge on a bed than a couch. It’s not her main bed either.

  • Reply Keith September 15, 2015 at 6:19 am

    4 Water
    – Sun in Kat trine Jupiter in Scorpio
    – Kat Asc trine Neptune in Scorpio
    l am super sensitive. I love singer songwriter types (esp Kats and Scorps) and poetry (I am write now listening to “Love Minus Zero: No Limit”). It really is my favourite art form – Asc trine Nep! Such a sensitive amalgam of placements.

    4 Earth
    – Virgoan Mars/Pluto conjunct with Venus a wide orb @ 7°.
    – Saturn in Capricorn trine them
    I work hard, can’t stand slackers. Job has to be done right by me AND for me.

    2 Fire
    -Leonine Mercury Uranus conjunct. That needs no explaining except to say it needs no explaining.

    1 Air
    – Moon Aqua

    Water(4) pips Earth (4) bcos of Sun and Asc.
    5 Fixed to 3 Cardinals.
    Water Fixed = Chart Tone of Scorpio. So my Mars Pluto conjunct is not the only Scorpionic thing about me. No wonder l have 17 obsessions.

    Another thing falls into place.

    • Reply Keith September 15, 2015 at 1:26 pm

      I miss one sign in each element (Taurus, Gemini, Saggitarius and Pisces). I am not sure l look for a partner with Muability.

      Taurus and Pisces, yes, but that’s because they are Yin. Given that l am 2/3 Mud.

  • Reply Devi September 15, 2015 at 6:30 am

    I’m fixed (6) and earth (4) dominant, so that makes me a closet Toro as well. The only planet I actually have in Taurus is my moon, and here I imagine ICPluto saying something along the lines of “That Toro moon really is key to you chart.”

    My Sun, rising, and Mercury are all Air, and professionally I feel like I vibe and work air a lot, but me away from the overthinking and mindracing? Yeah, yoga, good food made out of quality ingredients, luxury fibers (knitting with cashmere, or high quality wool works wonders), creating art, slow and sensual music, lounging in bed with my cats (in my high thread-count sheets). Sometimes I like to walk barefoot outside, for that earth connection. And I would LOVE a garden- in which I could grow tomatoes of all things, but I’ve been stuck in apartments in crowded cities for years. Oh, and sex would be great, but that’s off the table atm because the casual thing just doesn’t work for me.

    • Reply ICPluto September 15, 2015 at 6:58 am

      Lol aquaplume. I think you know what your Toro Moon needs,and it´s all about strengthening your core.

      But what about you add some Fire to the mix? That casual sex thing would be great for your Mutable Fire, but I hear you about it being off the table, as I have Venus conjunct Saturn in Toro 🙁 Outdoor bicycling perhaps? 🙂

      • Reply Devi September 15, 2015 at 12:58 pm

        Yeah, fire would be a good addition. The only fire I have in my chart (in the planets) is Uranus in Sag in the 3rd, which manifests itself in frequent spur-of-the-moment decisions to go visit random friends for a weekend. I’m not much of a biker, but do love outdoor runs. What else is good for enhancing fire?

        Unfortunately, the 8th house Toro moon opposite Mars conjunct Saturn in Scorpio, and trine Venus in Cap likes sex that is deep, soul-baring, sensual, and reliable.

        • Reply ICPluto September 18, 2015 at 10:41 am

          If you’re into yoga, you could try to introduce more poses that activate fire, like chair or warrior III. Decorating the house with accent pieces in fiery tones. I like to have a flickering ligth/flame, if not a candle, those Phillips led candles. I have Vesta in my 2nd house, so I like the idea of the “guardian of the flame” 🙂

          • Kimmy September 18, 2015 at 3:00 pm

            The yoga suggestions are great and this in particular sparks me. The versatility of Yoga with Fire poses, Water/emotional poses, Earth/grounding poses and Air (I’m thinking Eagle pose, balancing, soaring) has so much to offer.

            Thank you!

            Oh, and breath of fire! Kapalabhati Pranayama!

          • Devi September 18, 2015 at 6:30 pm

            Great suggestions, thank you! I have a really hard time balancing in yoga in general (I’m on the ground in about a second with warrior III), which an instructor once said was indicative of my fear of trusting even myself, but I’m thankful that yoga manifests where those issues are, how to work through them, and how to integrate the various aspects of my being. I should definitely do the breath of fire too, brilliant suggestion!

            ICPluto, your suggestions re: interior decorating as a means of enhancing fire speak to me so much. Actually, most of the accent colors in the rooms except my bedroom are red, gold, pink, orange, yellow, which is funny because I wear none of those colors. And several months ago, I realized how much I missed candles, and have since put several good-quality scented candles in my bedroom and bathroom, and love to lounge around in the candle light, especially in the bathtub with essential oils and a book! So maybe I’m not doing this fire thing so badly.

  • Reply Bryce September 15, 2015 at 7:03 am

    Super cool hack. My chart wrings out to be a Fixed, Water chart, i.e. Scorpio. Which, OF COURSE is does. HA. My rising, Sun, Venus, Uranus, Mercury are all in Scorpio. This is augmented by Fixed Mars (fire though). This plays out in a real way, I’m an excellent mirror for people’s emotions, and can really go there and be with someone wherever they are. I can transform energy as well, and feel things to the depths–and know that the best way to get through anything is to really feel it, as much as possible.

    I think it’s interesting too that these energies play out in different parts of my chart, though. All the Scorpio planets are crowded in my 1st house (save my Sun in the 12th), and it is, indeed who I am when you meet me. My fire-y elements (Mars in fixed Leo in 9th, my Midheaven in Leo, both trine my Neptune in mutable Saggo in the 2nd) give me a lot of energy around making MAGIC happen both in my daily life and especially when I travel. And then, all packed into my 10th house are my mutable, earthy Virgo Saturn + Jupiter (plus my NN) make me super practical and a “builder” at work–slow and steady works best for me there. Pluto, my lone wolf cardinal Air over in Libra in the 11th gives me an interesting mix of wit mixed with depth in how I meet people.

    Thoughts welcome too!

    • Reply Kimmy September 16, 2015 at 8:08 pm

      That’s a great description of your Elemental emphasis, adventuregirl.

      You avatar makes me think of Harrison’s Jupiter in the 10th too!

      Tell me how you ‘feed’ your elements. What nurtures each one of them? Do you put any on a diet?

      • Reply Bryce September 17, 2015 at 7:06 am

        Ooh. Good Q Kimmy. I think it’s easy for me to overdo it with my watery sensibilities, and over the years I’ve learned that a little goes a long way w/r/t water elements. I can be super intense (at any time, always!) which can be overwhelming for people, especially when I first meet them. Putting that in the background, and really focusing on other energies has been extremely good for me–the water/depth is ALWAYS available though, should the situation warrant. HA. So, yes, a water diet, if you will.

        And I’ve actually generally found that my fire elements are fed by travel (Mars in Leo in the 9th) gives me SUCH wanderlust, I used to be a travel writer (although let’s be honest, I love to travel to water-y places), and I find an incredible amount of serendipity on the road that it makes me dream of it all the time. AND, my fire is usually fed by other people in my life–I have a THING for Aries men (tends to create a grand trine with my Leo Mars/Midheaven + Saggo Neptune), as well as a big soft spot for Leo men, and have dated several Saggo rising–all of which is JUST NOW making sense to me, because I was like, whyyyyy am I choosing these dynamic fire-y men????

        My earthy Virgo Jupiter, NN + Saturn in the 10th (plus my Cap moon in the 3rd) all very much like spreadsheets and schedules and slow and steady for work purposes–and I fight this one a lot, and try sometimes to go on instinct alone, or just muscle through, and find myself exhausted when I do that. This one is a lesson I keep learning over and over (haha, NN, thanks).

        And then, as I’m writing this, I realize that I very much go to extremes with my Libra Pluto–I was a competitive collegiate cheerleader and absolutely love being tossed in the air (30+ feet), and have jumped out of planes, and off cliffs–paragliding, and have an obsession with hot air balloons–all of which makes a lot of sense as I write it out.

        Any other thoughts/recos?

        • Reply Fauness September 17, 2015 at 4:14 pm

          Geez, I have Pluto libra too and I’m not a fan of heights. I can get queasy just from being inside a skyscraper on an upper floor. Maybe it’s all that scorpy energy you have. What house is your Pluto in?

          • Bryce September 17, 2015 at 6:12 pm

            My Pluto is the 11th house. Maybe it’s the Uranian energy of the house? IDK! I’m like the opposite of afraid of heights 🙂 Where’s yours?

          • Fauness September 17, 2015 at 8:16 pm

            Mine is 11 degrees in the 11th house. I have a weird way of connecting people to ideas, places, people that turns out to be life changing – both minor adjustments and major overhauls.

            Have fun with that thrill seeking, it seriously sounds like you have heaps of fun. We have a few of the same placements but my experience is tamer.

          • Bryce September 18, 2015 at 7:34 am

            Maybe it’s the Scorp energy, not being afraid of dying? HA. I am afraid, BTW. I like that bit about connecting to people and it being life changing, tell me an example?

          • Fauness September 19, 2015 at 8:52 am

            Sure, but I’ll start by saying I’m only admitting this after seeing a pattern over the course of a few years. I brought it up as a comment on one of Mystic’s posts a few months ago. My husband also agrees.

            Biggest example is probably my friend A, who is totally cool but when I met her she was kind of in a rut, acting 20 years older than she really was. I’m from the East Coast, but I lived for a year in the midwest. While I lived there, I met J. We became close, and sometimes when we hung out, i would tell her that she would absolutely love A. I felt there was some kind of connection. When I moved back east, A and I decided to take a road trip out west, and when we did, we stopped to visit a friend from same town (he had temporarily moved to another town). They hit it off and she moved out to the same town I had left a few months prior. A became really close friends with J. She also changed her style, lost weight, gained new hobbies and habits, and started listening to tons of new music. She told me said town was the best place to grow into herself. She doesn’t live there anymore, but A and J are still good friends and hang out frequently because the live just a few hours apart on the west coast now.

            I almost feel like I download information for other people sometimes, like a conductor.

  • Reply Flashfire September 15, 2015 at 7:24 am

    well, my chart tone is no doubt Mutable, but is kind of puzzling in terms of which element. If we only look at the 10 planets, I have 3 planets each in Fire, Earth and Water. If I add in the AC (Gem) and MC(Aqua), then that gives me 3 Air elements and I’m completely balanced (an idea that makes me laugh out loud cuz yeah… so not).

    If you start adding in other asteroids, the balance of those are divided between Fire and Water,

    My gut feeling is that my chart tone is Mutable Fire Water… I’m essentially Astrological Vodka.

    • Reply Faith September 15, 2015 at 1:41 pm

      That’s so great!! Astrological Vodka – pure, but killer!

      • Reply Flashfire September 15, 2015 at 4:12 pm

        😀

    • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 1:56 pm

      LOL Love it, Flashfire.

      Your first para is utterly Gemini, so mutable Air has my vote.

      As you explore the Elements deeper, you will find that just because the elements are of equal weight in the chart doesn’t mean you will express them or align with them equally. For example, if you had outer planets in Earth, you might actually ‘reject’ that element.

      Also, if we start adding in asteroids, there’s not stopping it. There are tens of thousands of named asteroids.

      Stick to the 10 planets first and see what comes up. Let sun or moon, depending on which you resonate more with, tip the scale. Then add the Asc. See what that does.

      The MC isn’t so much an elemental trait but an elemental requirement in the career sector. I’d leave it out.

      I’ll be back to respond to all of these later today, but just had to jump in here! (Gemini here, but not a Gem tone. Do I sound wistful?)

      • Reply Oneirix September 15, 2015 at 3:05 pm

        This is really helpful Kimmy! I’m hoping you’ll be able to expand a little more on “rejecting” an element that you have outer planets in—Uranus (my chart ruler), Saturn, and Neptune are all in Earth for me and Pluto is in Water, and I definitely feel like I align the least with these elements even though I am very clearly Cardinal Earth in chart tone, with Water coming in a close second.

        • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 7:44 pm

          I think the outer planets always represent something less accessible to us. More demanding. More trans-personal. If we had a choice, we’d probably prefer to do without them. If you add to that an element that is not represented in the personal planets (Sun – Mars) it can feel even more foreign.

          But we are here to experience all the dynamics of life and we can’t just do a Ur/Ne/Pl extomy. If you have personal planets in, say, Capricorn, and outer planets are there, the need to integrate them becomes urgent.

          In this case, you can’t reject the cappy without denying who you are, but to integrate the outer planets, you have to become MORE than who you are. It’s a paradox, to say the least.

          The first step is to go ahead and FEED your predominate element(s) and realize that it will fuel the outer planet energy as you do. As the trans-personal planets wake up, give them a job. Give them a mission! That helps (says the girl with Mars in Capricorn – I want to give everyone a job. LOL)

          • Fauness September 16, 2015 at 7:30 am

            Thanks for that, Kimmy! Great insight and advice. My outer planets are major, so I have to pay attention to them. Neptune conj Moon, Uranus on ASC, and Pluto as chart ruler. I’m going to take another look at how I’m working with them.

          • Oneirix September 16, 2015 at 10:31 am

            Thanks Kimmy! This is really helpful. My personal planets are mostly evenly spread across the elements, with my Virgo Moon tipping the scales. I can see how really grounding and nourishing Earth will bring all that outer planet stuff together for me.

            My chart ruler’s planet is in Capricorn, and combining that with my Virgo Moon I can see how Earth energy could really help me actualize the other aspects of myself. It’s really interesting to see the complexities of the relationships within natal charts. I had NO idea!!

      • Reply Flashfire September 15, 2015 at 4:08 pm

        Whoa. My brain just exploded a little bit! Your cue to look closer at the elements and the note about outer planets in Earth causing rejection of other elements made me realize that yeah! That’s exactly what’s going on!

        I am one of the Uranus Pluto conjunct in Virgo mini-generation and the more I learn about astrology, the more I see how strongly that conjunction operates in my chart. And they (The Uranus Pluto Conjunction or UPC for short) DO totally reject my air placements (Gem rising, Mars in Libra)! Well, maybe reject is too strong a word. It’s more generally dismissive… lots of ppfffft noises and eye-rolling. To go back to the Hack of Houses** where we looked at the planets and house positions as roommates, I see the UPC as the scowling goth girls conspiring against their fifth house roomie (Mars Libra). You know…totally Winona Ryder and Christian Slater in Heathers.

        So that ex[lains why even though the people living outside my head seem to pick up my Gem tone** easily enough (… ie. frequent pixie references, urgent requests to please stop bloody fidgeting already, etc.), I haven’t been looking at my chart thru that lens at all. I am more comfortable thinking of my self as Saggo (sun + merc) or identifying with my Pisces Moon. Even though I enjoy a lot of my Air qualities and certainly admire those qualities in others (yourself included Kimmie!), I tend to underestimate that influence in my chart.

        And if I look back on the previous hacks, there is plenty of other evidence too: In my chart pattern (Locomotive I’m reasonably sure) the train starts in the Third House (Gemini’s House) and my chart ruler IS Mercury. So Eureka! Mutable Air makes complete sense!

        P.S.I know this is uber long, but I’m excited here. The puzzle is finally starting to come into view as a whole instead of a million bitty shards. Thank you, Kimmie!

        ** I might have to change my username to GemTone now.

        • Reply Flashfire September 15, 2015 at 4:15 pm

          Apologies for spelling tour name wrong…. I see now it is Kimmy with a Y!

          • Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 8:15 pm

            I answer to Kim, Kimmie, Kimmy, Kimita equally, so no worries.

            I’m glad that resonates. Your depiction of the UPC in V is perfect too. I think the more we become aware of these various sub-personalities, the more we can start to integrate them into a sense of wholeness.

            Awareness is the starting point.

        • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 10:10 pm

          I am one of the mini-gen as well.. and Merc /Sun in Saggi. Jupiter and NN in Gem and because of the chart pattern a focus on Jupiter.

          Interesting description of the Pluto/Uranus conjunct Flashfire and I know what you’re saying about the puzzle starting to fit.

          • Flashfire September 20, 2015 at 5:23 pm

            Sorry I didn’t respond to this sooner as It’s doubtful that you will come back here to this hack so you might not see this, but it’s a pleasure to meet another UPC Saggo anyway. There seems to be a LOT of Archers engaged with these hacks. We should do a poll and check the astrodata on that, but I would guess the Archers taking this course rank in the top three at minimum!

            If you do see this, I’m curious… what house is your UPC in your chart? Do you think it marks you strongly? Have you been feeling it more and more these days, in the wake of all the Uranus Pluto squares? I think I am… weird times indeed.

      • Reply Rosa September 15, 2015 at 4:15 pm

        Interesting, Kimmy! ”you will find that just because the elements are of equal weight in the chart doesn’t mean you will express them or align with them equally” – looking forward to it!

  • Reply Antonia September 15, 2015 at 9:02 am

    Hello everyone……… What I need to know is whether or not to include the AC is these calculations or just use 10 planets? If I use the ac then my cardinals and fixed signs are the same. Either my tone is Scorpio or Sagittarius. If include AC what about MC? I haven’t yet played with that. What are others finding intuitively ringing truer. Hmmmm

    • Reply ICPluto September 15, 2015 at 10:13 am

      I did include the AC. As my outer expression/way to relate to the outside world, I considered it important when analyzing elements and modalities in my chart.

    • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 8:20 pm

      Thoughts on the MC a few posts down. I don’t include it.

      Note Richard Idemon, a wonderful astrologer blessing us with his insights in the 80’s, had a different way of adding it up. 2 points for sun and moon, 1 for Mercury – Mars. 2 for Jupiter. – (minus) 1 for Saturn. -3 for Neptune, Uranus and Pluto. No angles. Interesting . . .

  • Reply Nia September 15, 2015 at 9:24 am

    I’m predominantly Water (counting Asc.) with Fire almost equal. Earth and Air lesser but balanced. My chart tone is Cardinal Water = Kataka, which is also my Ascendant.

  • Reply Antonia September 15, 2015 at 9:43 am

    Funny ……….I messed up. Thought one was to add the numbers not the words. I’m Fixed Air = Aquarius. I only used 10 planets.

    Still interested in whether to included AC, MC etc.

    • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 3:26 pm

      Definitely leave out the MC. In general, signs on the house cusps tell us how we can “get into” or engage with the area of life defined by the house. It’s very useful info, but not really a weigh in on the chart tone. It’s what we need to embody, not so much who we already are.

      I would do the exercise with the 10 planets, and then with the Asc and explore what that reveals.

      Play with it!

      • Reply Antonia September 15, 2015 at 9:12 pm

        If I include AC then I’m cardinal Air, with number of fixed and cardinal being the same number.

  • Reply Paxton September 15, 2015 at 10:19 am

    My chart tone is Earth(4) Cardinal(5, 6 if AC counts) so Capricorn. I can totally see this as the Capricorn/ Saturnine energy is a major part of my psyche. I exude the grounding of Earth and the stoic resilience is innate in me. Cap is always a theme, overall.

  • Reply Meredith September 15, 2015 at 10:33 am

    1) I’m pretty balanced, with the 10 planets I have 2 fire, 2 earth, 3 air, 3 water. If I incl. ASC, then I’m 2 fire, 3 earth, 3 air, 3 water.

    2) I’d say that my chart tone would lean toward Cardinal Air – in the sign of Libra. To break the tie of air vs. water I have Lilith in Libra, whereas my 4th water sign is SN in Aquarius not Scorpio like the rest of my earth signs.

    So energy needs definitely fall in the intellectual realm (not surprised), and a close second in the emotional realm. Most of my emotional needs I internalize and deal with on my own, but every now and then they need to be released. For that I tap into my fire, where the physical activities I pretty much strictly use for emotional release. It’s really nice to see my chart in this light.

    • Reply Meredith September 15, 2015 at 1:06 pm

      Oh sharing my assessment!

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8c58J8onMp2QnkzZExpcFZVLWM/view

      • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 8:26 pm

        I love seeing the working out. Thank you!

        Because the Nodes are describing journey more than Self, they aren’t usually included. You want to let the personal planets lead . . . let what you identify with most tip the scales.

        You sound like you are aligned with awareness and balance! How do you feed your elements? Who gets fed first?

        • Reply Meredith September 16, 2015 at 8:07 am

          Thanks for taking a peek, Kimmy!

          I think you’ve hit the nail on the proverbial head. That is the huge dichotomy with me… mental vs. emotional, thoughts vs. feelings, mind vs. body. My mental awareness runs the show, but there’s no denying that the emotions are there living and experiencing everything the mind decides to do. They are hardly ever in agreement, and I do feel like they’d benefit one another working together more steadily – but this is the challenge in this life is that balance.

          I did some more digging into my elementals and happened to notice that in my *bundle (120 degrees)* of a chart – heavy in houses 1-3, that my cardinal planets fall in the 1st house – which is a cardinal house, my fixed planets fall in the 2nd house which is a fixed house, and my mutable planets fall in the 3rd house which is a mutable house. Even the lone planets Mutable Moon in the 12th (mutable) house, and Cardinal Mars in the 4th (cardinal) house. While they are different elementally to the houses native element, the modalities are the same.

          That being said, on a conscious level my air definitely gets fed first, but I think on a subconscious level there’s something going on with my body the physical side of things where my emotions are getting fed as well – even though I may not mentally allow that to take center stage first. I think that also ties in with a lot of health problems that have surfaced recently. The emotions getting pushed aside and under recognized until they’ve done a certain amount of damage. Just because that strong water/emo allows you to feel so deep, it’s often difficult to just *be* with it.

          Thanks for your response and helping me to look deeper into things 🙂

  • Reply socialgraffiti September 15, 2015 at 2:44 pm

    Using planets only, Water: 2, Earth: 2, Air: 3, Fire: 3.
    Counting for AC and MC: Water: 4, Earth: 2, Air: 3, Fire: 3
    Dominant element is water

    Modalities using planets: Fixed: 5, Mutable: 2, Cardinal: 3
    Counting for AC and MC: Fixed: 5, Mutable 3, Cardinal: 4
    Dominant modality is fixed

    I feel like water and air sort of tie for me. I looked at the Pullen chart on astro.com and it said air slightly exceeded water, but only by 1% or so. I am definitely fixed though, but Astrotheme said I was mutable dominant (?), maybe because I have a lot of Uranus and Jupiter aspects.

    • Reply socialgraffiti September 15, 2015 at 4:34 pm

      Just saw a comment not to include the MC

      Then I have- Water: 3, Air: 3, Fire: 3, and Earth: 2
      Definitely fixed.

      Water/Air/Fire= tie? Huh…

      • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 8:30 pm

        Where do you sun and moon sit in the elements? I would let that guide me.

  • Reply Oneirix September 15, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    This is SO interesting me because I feel like how I see myself elementally keeps changing. I’m generally seen as a Fire person with my Aries sun…but that’s actually the ONLY fire I have in my chart! So then I thought, what with my interest in academia and theoretical/written work, I must be an Air person, and that makes sense with Aquarius as my chart ruler. I’ve always been thought of (and thought of myself) as either a Fire or Air person, or somewhere in between.

    But actually I’m VERY much Earth-dominant (Moon, Mercury, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune), with Water coming in at a close second (Venus, Jupiter, Pluto), and Air (Mars, AC) and Fire (Sun, MC) dead last! I’m rather heavily Cardinal, so, my chart tone is Capricorn.

    What gives?? I’m super active both physically and mentally (cycling, rock climbing, and academia are my only hobbies, if you don’t include drinking), and creative pursuits are quite important to me as well. None of this exactly screams Capricorn to me.

    Does anyone else feel kind of at odds with this? Am I missing some fundamental aspect of myself, or misunderstanding Capricorn?

    • Reply Oneirix September 15, 2015 at 3:14 pm

      Although, just to add: it is sort of interesting that I’m very attracted to Capricorn/Earth sign paradigms in my romantic partners. Capable, resilient, focused, hard-working, and very tactile/sensual/material. I’ve actually dated almost every Sun sign, but I feel pretty confident that if I were to look at the charts of my serious partners they’d all have quite a bit of Earth. I do really admire those qualities and try to cultivate them, but I’m not sure that I see them as primary markers of how I express or define myself.

      • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 8:33 pm

        It’s quite possible that you identify strongly with a potent Fire or even Air element in your chart and “feed” your earth by dating it.

        It’s hard to do Fire and Earth, so we tend to identify with one and project the other.

        But finding your chart tone can switch a few lights on, letting you see what’s happening here. Then, IF that’s the case, it can take the pressure off the partner to do the “Earth” as you discover ways to identify with it yourself.

        Does that make sense?

        • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 10:15 pm

          “It’s hard to do fire and earth so we tend to identify with one and project the other”

          Ok.. that’s my main elements and this is very interesting. I’m more identified with earth and my partner is Sun/Asc/Merc in Saggi so perhaps I project the fire. Worthy of more consideration for sure.

        • Reply Oneirix September 16, 2015 at 10:37 am

          Yes, I can see how Fire and Earth are probably one of the odder combinations. If one’s all about go-go-go and the other NEEDS grounding, it’s really more like working with a polarity than complementarity. You gotta kind of switch off instead of activating both at the same time.

          And it’s true, those Earth qualities are all ones that I deeply admire and would love to cultivate in myself. It’s just hard to do when I feel so naturally attenuated to Fire/Air pursuits. But I’m starting with nutrition now (just bought a blender) and being more regimented with my workouts so maybe that’ll be a good start? 🙂

    • Reply Flashfire September 15, 2015 at 4:38 pm

      Rock climbing?! Are you kidding me? What is more Capricorn than rock climbing?!

      But I totally get where you are coming from and am wondering if the at-odds feeling springs from oppositions. squares, or other aspects/dynamics that we will hopefully get to in later hacks aren’t totally apparent when looking at modalities and elements.

      • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 8:34 pm

        Good point!

      • Reply Oneirix September 16, 2015 at 10:39 am

        Haha is that very Cappy?! I suppose it is about grit and (literally) ascending to a goal…I had never thought about it that way before! I just sort of thought of most physical activities as more Fire.

        Yeah it’ll be interesting moving forward in the hacks. I have a TON of squares so perhaps that has something to do with the disjuncture.

  • Reply Sagitta September 15, 2015 at 10:27 pm

    In terms of missing elements and modalities, what I lack is Cardinal Fire– and how did I deal with that? Married an Aries! (His chart tone is Sagittarius.)

    Interestingly, I remembered just now that “iron” is associated with Aries. Here’s the story: I recently went to my doctor for some aches and pains in my legs which were keeping me from sleeping, and she told me to take iron pills. I did, and the pains are gone. I sleep well now.

    Maybe people who are low in the fire element should literally try taking iron pills.

    • Reply Devi September 16, 2015 at 5:04 am

      That’s really interesting about the iron pills. I’m low on fire, and had to take iron pills for quite a while as well (now I mostly just eat a lot of black beans and dark, leafy vegetables).

    • Reply Kimmy September 16, 2015 at 8:16 pm

      I love this tip. Thank you!

  • Reply Sagitta September 15, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    Still thinking about whether my chart tone is Taurus or Virgo, so I thought I would brainstorm what I do to nourish each one.

    Nourishing Taurus: On the couch before the TV, with something good in a bowl by my side. Shopping. Watering the lawn. Putting cream on my face and neck.

    Nourishing Virgo: Making my to-do list and crossing things off. Organizing pantry/closet/cabinets etc. Designing a system like the curriculum for a new class. Getting new journals, planners, handmade papers, and pens. Writing, especially writing in my journal.

    • Reply Devi September 16, 2015 at 5:05 am

      I often think of literally stopping to smell the flowers as being a quintessential Taurus act.

      • Reply Sagitta September 16, 2015 at 10:49 am

        Yes, like the story of Ferdinand the Bull.

        • Reply ICPluto September 16, 2015 at 11:01 am

          I *love* Ferdinand! But then I spent my birthday in the company of adorable Heilean coo 🙂

          Sagitta, you let your chart flow beautifully between that Mutable and Fixed nature. As long as you earth yourself, “the kids will be all right”. 🙂

          • Sagitta September 16, 2015 at 9:40 pm

            Thanks, ICPluto. Maybe the amount of vacillation is a sign that I am really MutableEarth? On the other hand, maybe the way I’m sticking to my guns (I’ve always thought of myself as a Mutable–specifically MutableWater and I’m having a hard time letting go of that)–is a sign I’m really FixedEarth?

            AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGH

            Despite that Zulu cry from the heart above, I’m actually enjoying this particular hack. This was the most eye-opening one for me (except only for the epic Saturn Clock.)

            I like how we are digging deeper. Behind the simplistic sun-sign or AC, there is the complexity of the birth chart, with all its planets, signs, houses, and aspects. And now we are learning to take that complexity and integrate it, albeit using a rough-and-ready add-it-up method.

            Doing that gives us a key to the way the chart DOES energy–how it conducts, grounds, and loses energy (Modality) and how it can replenish that energy (Element.)

          • Kimmy September 17, 2015 at 4:52 pm

            Yes! It really can show how we respond to energy. How we naturally want to conduct it.

            We have to remember that we do have all 12 signs of the zodiac in our chart. All of us do! But we have, usually, easier access to the modalities and elements of the natal planets, esp the “personal” ones, Moon – Mars.

            The social planets, Jupiter and Saturn, can take a little more maturation to connect with, and the trans-personal, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, can feel like they come from someone else (someone else is disruptive, mysterious, dangerous). They can remain an enigma, but to integrate them with awareness is very powerful.

  • Reply Miss Sarai September 15, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    Well, this little Gemini Sun has 7 mutable planets (Ooof!), and the high score among the elements is my Earth with 4 planets (I thought it would be Air but Air comes in 2nd on 3). So…Mutable earth = Virgo. This sounds about right. Also, my Mars, Jupe & Saturn are in Virgo.

    Harrison Ford… Hard to know if his tone is Gem or Libra. I’d probably go with the cardinal sign in this case because it’s about taking charge etc & I just get that kind of vibe from him 🙂

    • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 8:37 pm

      I think Cardinal too, but I go with Cardinal water because . . . he has Neptune, THE water planet, on the Ascendant and the NEW MOON in Cancer/Kataka. That’s a double whammy of WATER to me.

      • Reply Miss Sarai September 15, 2015 at 11:07 pm

        Ah I actually forgot to count his AC in my calculations. Cardinal water sounds like a better fit!

  • Reply Hookerwitch September 15, 2015 at 5:44 pm

    I’m tied for water and fire. And for Cardinal and fixed. My moon tips the scales and I’m Fixed Water. Scorpio.

    I definitely struggle with the balance between that water (bottomless well of emotion) and fire (armor) and the intensity that comes with it. I feel everything. And try to numb it out and that fire just ERUPTS. I feel like I channel all my fire when I need that emotion and vice versa.

    I have very little earth (I only have one air planet as well but it’s conj my ascendant so I feel it has more oomph), and I’m a New Yorker so all that concrete and nonstop hustle has made it near impossible to get grounded. I can count on one hand the amount of times in the past year my feet have touched the actual ground. Being able to turn everything off, journal, reflect and sit in the dirt do wonders for me to help balance the push pull between my Cardinal fire and that fixed water. It’s all feel/suppress and push/create and I need to actively carve out “me time”

    http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w61/andreajarosh/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpszypnlqpo.jpg

    Fixed: Moon (Sco) Pluto (Sco) Saturn(Sco) Jupiter (Aqua)
    Cardinal: Mercury (Aries) Venus (Aries) Mars (Aries) Neptune (Cap)
    Mutable: Sun (Pisces) Uranus (Sag)

    Earth : Neptune
    Air: Jupiter
    Fire: Mercury Mars Venus Uranus
    Water: moon Pluto Saturn sun

    • Reply Kimmy September 15, 2015 at 8:43 pm

      That’s such an interesting point about environment and our ability to connect with the elements. Thank you.

      With strong Fire and Water, how do you “feed” them? What elemental nurturing feels good to you?

  • Reply Ashley September 15, 2015 at 6:17 pm

    2 planets/Cardinal/Fire
    3 planets/Mutable/Fire

    1planet/Cardinal/Air

    1planet/Cardinal/Earth

    1planet/Fixed/Water
    2planets/Mutable/Water

    My tone is Mutable Fire = Saglicious.

    🙂 Thoughts?

    • Reply Rosa September 15, 2015 at 10:10 pm

      Yay! Sagilicious indeed!

      I’m there with ya. The element I’m lowest on is Air and the modality I’m lowest on is Fixed = Aquarius is the lowest idea for me (re chart tone)
      Looks like your lowest element is tied between Air and Earth and your lowest modality is also Fixed = Taurus is the lowest for you (re chart tone) 🙂 cool.

      • Reply Ashley September 16, 2015 at 9:53 pm

        Awesome! Maybe that’s why I’m drawn to Taureans? 🙂

        • Reply Rosa September 17, 2015 at 3:45 pm

          Could be! Maybe it indicates a potentially beneficial influence as it’s what you’re deficient?

  • Reply Fauness September 15, 2015 at 8:38 pm

    5 fire + 5 mutable = Mutable Fire Sag

    I did not count my ASC because it is conjunct my Uranus, but if I did, that would tip the scales to 5 fixed. Leo. My Moon is Sag and my Sun is Leo so no surprises there. I also have a 9th house sun.

    I have ZERO earth. I married a Virgo and I live on 2 wooded acres adjacent to a 250 acre nature preserve. I am into buying my foods directly from farms, brewing my own kombucha, fermenting foods, and swimming in creeks. I paint, draw, sew, and read. So yes, I inject earth into my life.

    So about the activity/exercise thing. I wasn’t really involved is sports or anything growing up, and the first time I went to a chiropractor after an accident in high school, the guy was amazed on how stiff and curled up I was at such a young age. Yay, me. It was much better in college, when I started working out and doing yoga. Long hikes and a little bit of kickboxing too. I’d like to get into tai chi or something similar but with younger kids, I mostly just hike and play basketball in the driveway. And sun salutations every morning.

    • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 10:26 pm

      Electro you definitely do earth with that set up. Nice! And fire with all the creativity, water with the swimming. What do you see as air? Is that the reading and/or would it be getting out in the fresh air and hiking? Just curious because you actually sound quite balanced in your elements.

      • Reply Fauness September 16, 2015 at 3:23 am

        Thanks! I don’t get to swim or be in water as often as I like but I have to take a bath at least once or twice a week. My only water is my ASC and Uranus so it needs some kind of outlet.

        Not sure about air. I did fly a kite last spring and it made me feel amazing. Not windy enough to do that all the time. I wanted to make a mobile after that because I realized the air aspect, but I never ended up doing it. I consider myself an air junkie and drive with all the windows down – does that count? I also love breathing in the woodsy air at home.

        Thanks for the compliment, it’s something that developed over time. I’m also Mars Gemini and love trying everything.

  • Reply Maree September 15, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    I’m a tie between fixed earth (Taurus) and mutable earth (Virgo). My Sun sign is Virgo so I used that as a tiebreaker, as Virgo resonates more with me. My ascendant is Leo, so using that would have moved Taurus ahead. I can see both of these playing out in my life – and very much a split between work me (Virgo) where I also crave change and love troubleshooting and organising, and service, and home me (Taurus) where I can tend to become “stuck” in a rut. On the Taurus front, I also have a tendency to persevere with people and things, sometimes past when I should let them go.

    • Reply Sue September 15, 2015 at 10:30 pm

      Thanks for you insight on where Toro gets stuck Maree. Yes.. with the bull as my ascendant this is an important reminder and so true.

  • Reply scorpiodawn September 16, 2015 at 12:51 am

    I have equal amounts of fire and water….predominantly cardinal….my sun is water (scorp ) my moon is aries! no earth but my asc is Taurus, we’re not including that right? think intuitively I’m more water….surprised at all the fire….

    • Reply Kimmy September 17, 2015 at 4:54 pm

      It can be tricky to feed both Fire and Water. Taurus rising would be more comfortable with water.

      You might find it interesting to experiment with your Fire side. What happens when you let it live a little?

      • Reply scorpiodawn September 18, 2015 at 12:44 am

        not sure if I do let it live a little…I can have a short fuse….I enjoy a proper fire outside…mayb that feeds my aries moon???? thanku for reply : )

        • Reply scorpiodawn September 18, 2015 at 12:48 am

          r we not including chiron? that means I have only four fire planets…

          • Kimmy September 18, 2015 at 3:10 pm

            I think Aries Moon counts for at least 3 points for Fire!

            Think of your innate desire to lead. To carve your own path. To explore, adventure and challenge. In the house you have your Fiery Moon, BE the boss. No exceptions!

  • Reply Catherine September 16, 2015 at 3:11 am

    so, my emphasis is definitely on earth. and my chart tone is cardinal earth! = capricorn!
    Cap is my moon sign, so this makes a little more sense to me. its also on my MC which is curious. its overwhelming. all of my earth signs are cardinal! all of them! what?!

  • Reply Kellie September 16, 2015 at 3:32 am

    Hey it just occurred to me that a grand trine is a relationship between all the modalities of a particular element. Sorry if that’s obvious but I just had a lightbulb moment 🙂

    • Reply Sagitta September 16, 2015 at 10:53 am

      Imagine–if you had a grand water trine, you can manage to do flowing water (Pisces) still water (Scorpio) and tidal water (Cancer) –all three!

  • Reply Emma September 17, 2015 at 4:17 am

    So unsurprisingly I’ve come out as a super Sagittarius. Seven mutables, with five in Sag makes my chart tone mutable fire (Note to self – see if you can find somewhere that does ninja training to feed your fire. Ninjas count as martial artists right?)

    What fascinates me is that while I only have one water placement (Mars in Pisces) I often find myself immersed in what feels like a very fluid space. I’m easily overwhelmed by my emotions, my energy can be all over the place and I’m extremely sensitive to others’ moods as well as my environment. But I wouldn’t characterise any of that as feeling particularly pleasant so I’m wondering if maybe it’s just harder to navigate the element that you’re lacking in, rather than an actual lack of those elemental energies in your life?

    Not sure if that flies though because I think that I do my earth quite well, which also scores quite low (CapVenus and VirgoAC)…I love me some barefoot on the grass time 🙂

    • Reply Fauness September 17, 2015 at 9:01 am

      I am also mutable fire. I have one water – my Uranus in Scorpio ASC. I also have moon conjunct Neptune in Sag, which is def fire but amps up the Neptune quality. I have to take a bath at least once or twice a week. I’m sure that it helps to draw out any energies I have picked up. Moon Neptune is supposed to be a “psychic sponge” and I wouldn’t be surprised if Mars in Pisces had similar qualities. I soak for a long time with bath salts, crystals, candles, and usually something extra to help take the edge off.

      • Reply Emma September 17, 2015 at 4:49 pm

        Yes! I have a Sag Moon Neptune conjunction as well and ‘psychic sponge’ is a great description. Although I’ve also used ‘canary in a mine shaft’.

        Sigh. I wish I had a bathtub…

        • Reply Fauness September 17, 2015 at 8:06 pm

          Good excuse to visit a hot spring. Even better, nekkid in the earth water under the stars. I only did it once when I was in Cali but it was unforgettable. In the mountains, watching the sun go down.

          Do you have any of the binaural beats from the shop page? Neptunian Nights? Maybe chilling out to that in a cozy spot with a lavender pillow over your eyes could do the trick.

  • Reply Sagitta September 17, 2015 at 2:18 pm

    Just for fun, I decided to figure out the chart tones and patterns of 4 US Presidential candidates. These are my notes:

    Hillary Clinton: Chart tone: Scorpio. No earth. MoonBucket.
    Carly Fiorina: Chart tone: Capri. Bowl.

    Bernie Sanders: Chart tone: Libra or Gemini. No water. Bowl.
    Donald Trump: Chart tone: Aries or Libra. No earth. Bowl.

    And, this is for someone that isn’t running so far, but who knows?

    Elizabeth Warren: Chart tone: Libra. JupiterBucket.

    • Reply Devi September 18, 2015 at 5:33 am

      Donald Trump’s lack of earth is SO clear from his behavior. Wow.

      I like the idea of a Jupiter bucket, I could see that being a beneficial placement, especially for a politician.

      • Reply scorpio_rising September 18, 2015 at 8:39 am

        yes, Donald is extremely stubborn and NOT grounded!
        He acts like an a low-vibing Aries to me.

        • Reply Sagitta September 18, 2015 at 12:57 pm

          You’re right in your intuitive take that The Don is an Aries.

          After reading Kimmy’s comments on counting personal/social/outer planets as a way to refine the analysis, I looked at his placements, counting the personal planets:

          Mars and the Moon in Fire vs. Sun in Air. That makes his chart tone CardinalFire = Aries.

          I also used the same “count the personal planets” method to look at Bernie Sanders and figure out whether his chart tone is CardinalAir (Libra) or MutableAir (Gemini.) It was easy: he has Moon, Mars, Mercury and Venus in Cardinal signs and only the Sun in a Mutable Sign. His Chart tone is Libra.

          So basically Cardinal Chart tones dominate in the Presidential candidate list– the only Fixed one is Hillary.

          Isn’t that just what one would expect– Cardinals to go for the leadership of the country? And with Hillary, maybe she reveals her “fixed” chart tone in the way she is holding on to that vision she had when she lost out to Obama– “I’m not quitting! Nope! I will be the first woman to be President THIS time.”

  • Reply tracy lives September 17, 2015 at 11:28 am

    I need to read the comments later, i have a cold and connot concentrate like i want to.

    3 fire signs (moon, mars, neptune)
    4 Air signs, all in my 4th house libra (sun, venus, mercury, Pluto)
    2 Earth signs (jupiter neptune)
    3 Water signs (AC, uranus, MC)

    And mostly Cardinal.

    I have no clue how to interpreted this.

    Hopefully tomorrow with less phlem 🙂

    • Reply Kimmy September 17, 2015 at 4:47 pm

      I would call it a Libra chart tone.

      How do you feed your Air?

      Think in contrast to the lack of any personal planets in H20, but the need to embody water when it comes to identity, (Asc) and career (MC).

      • Reply tracy lives September 18, 2015 at 1:40 am

        I am pondering on your question and can’t seem to anwser it… Feels a bit lost.

        I was a very nervous type up until I think 10 years ago. Then I started meditation, body work, sports, self development. I am not nervous at all anymore.

        Is that feeding my air?

        I am just recently being able to be somewhat disciplined. It is like it just was an ability I did not have before…

        X

        • Reply Kimmy September 18, 2015 at 3:08 pm

          Air wants intellectual stimulation via conversations, teaching, learning, study, discourse, online forums where people share their thoughts and ideas . . . 🙂

          Communication via the written or spoken word.

          Talking!

          Connecting.

          Social media.

          The circulation of energy via the mind.

          For me, that’s what feeds air.

          The meditation quiets the mind and allows your thoughts to refine, clarify and distinguish. I think it’s incredibly nourishing.

  • Reply Emma September 17, 2015 at 5:33 pm

    So – an interesting spread.

    Cardinal
    Fire – 0
    Air – Pluto & MC
    Earth – AC
    Water – 0

    Fixed
    Fire – 0
    Air – Sun & Merc
    Earth – 0
    Water – Uranus

    Mutable
    Fire – Neptune
    Air – Moon
    Earth – Mars, Jupe, Saturn
    Water – Venus

    So – definitely a more mutable vibe. Heaviest balance in Mutable Earth (Virgo). I can see that.
    However – each Air column is filled across the modalities. So, An Airy vibe with mutable Earth undertones?

    Many different people over the years have commented (both in work and pleasure) that I’m a very calming presence, very grounding. Office spaces – my colleagues and bosses have always said they notice a difference in the office just from me being away – that the office doesn’t ‘feel’ as pleasant or calm and lacks a certain joy.
    I do have an uncanny sense of ‘knowing’ being able to read people and situations. Sometimes though my optimisim gets in the way of reading those I enter into relationships with.

    I’m not sure in terms of how do I feed the ‘lacking’ elements. Probably seeking strong fire people in relationships.

    Aqua Sun, Cap Rising.

    I can be fiercely determined about certain things, with abilities to appreciate both sides. I consider bigger pictures in everything before choosing the path or point.

    • Reply Kimmy September 17, 2015 at 5:39 pm

      This is great working out. I love the insights.

      I wouldn’t include the MC, and you might find you get a purer picture without the Asc. The house cusps, even the angles, are ways we need to develop to engage with that area of life. They aren’t actual ‘givens’.

      But Virgo and Gemini are both Mercury ruled.

      With Sun and Moon both air, I would lean toward Gemini tone.

      • Reply Emma September 17, 2015 at 6:10 pm

        That’s quite interesting – that overall taking the Sun and Moon in the same element but different modes, over Mars, Jupes and Saturn same element and same mode.

        But I can see the Gemini thing. And the Virgo thing. Maybe it’s also situational as well.

        Interesting just reading on the Modes & Elements – ie Mutable Fire and relating that to the planet I have there. Astrology is like an onion.

        I can also see how you take can one quick grok of the mode & elements table and draw up a foundation just simply from that, before throwing in houses, angles and aspects.

        Sleepless – I know it’s not 80’s .. but I couldnt help it 🙂

        https://youtu.be/iYYRH4apXDo

        • Reply Keith September 18, 2015 at 12:12 am

          “It Aint Me Babe”

          • Emma September 18, 2015 at 6:00 pm

            Nice One PF.
            Here’s me – Oh yeah, that’s a great song, I’ll just youtube it. Haven’t heard it aint me babe for a while…

            Lo and behold, there’s Miley Cyrus banging out a not too bad live version in spedangled shorty short nickers with belt-loops.
            I’ve never heard her sing – thought she did a good job.

            I think given what just happened – the world could literally end at any given moment. Hell is freezing over. First and Last time I’ll ever listen to Miley. It’s too late to apologise, world! If it makes a difference, I didn’t listen to the end! 😉

  • Reply scorpio_rising September 18, 2015 at 8:44 am

    Mutable Earth Virgo Chart Tone
    Mutable Earth: 5
    Fixed Water: 3
    Missing elements: Fire & Air
    If I count my MC and Chiron then two fire elements.
    I need to work on bringing elements of fire and air into my life.

    • Reply scorpio_rising September 18, 2015 at 11:12 am

      Predominant elements: Earth and Water a close second.

  • Reply inanna September 18, 2015 at 10:00 am

    When I grok my basic chart (10 planets only), it’s a tie between mutable and fixed, but mutable wins out because my moon is Virgo. When I grok for elements, it’s a tie between earth and water, but again my moon is the tiebreaker. So my chart tone is Mutable Earth, or Virgo.

    This shouldn’t be surprising, given how much my little Virgo stellium affects me, but I had to laugh. Basically, everything I’m learning has convinced me that I’m super-Virg. Somehow the mutable earth combination makes sense, too, with the ties between mutable/fixed and earth/water. It’s grounded restlessness, which is a contradiction I can see in myself.

    From childhood I have had a dream house where I picture myself middle aged or older. It’s by the ocean, with a big library and kitchen, and I see myself out in the garden. I have always loved working with clay and the idea of gardening, although I haven’t done much gardening yet. I feel that these are things I’ll probably gravitate more toward as I get older (right now I live in a city.)

    Given that my sun and Jupiter are in air signs and I have some cardinality in my chart, it’s pretty balanced — except for fire. Uranus in Sag (H6) is my only fire planet. I think this makes me less competitive than others, and definitely more subdued. It’s funny because I do see myself as a driven person with big career goals, but I think I come off as being very calm and grounded. Anyone else with lack of fire?

    • Reply Kimmy September 18, 2015 at 3:04 pm

      I relate to this so strongly and now, (past my 2nd Saturn return!) I live that dream of garden, sea, library, kitchen.

      Is Uranus square your moon?

      My only fire is Pluto. On the Ascendant. It has felt like such a contrast to express this and I think it’s what drove me to write. I create characters to “carry” the Fire. Typical Gemini solution! 🙂

      • Reply Parisa September 19, 2015 at 2:14 am

        Uranus (Sagg, 3rd) is square my moon (pisces, 6th)…

        I dream of the quiet house in the countryside (mine is in rural Ireland, tucked between roly-poly hills and old oaks) but have spent my 20s chasing the city-living across the world.

        I can’t seem to accommodate these two sides to myself…these seemingly conflicting wants 🙂

        • Reply inanna September 19, 2015 at 10:52 am

          icontainmultitudes, I hear you! Same for me. I love your handle because our charts show us that we do contain multitudes. And maybe we activate that restlessness now, and the quiet house in the countryside later — both are part of us, but present at different times.

      • Reply inanna September 19, 2015 at 10:50 am

        Kim, that’s wonderful – knowing that you live that dream gives me hope that I’ll be able to as well someday 🙂

        Yes, Uranus squares my 4th house moon (and Mars and Venus, which are conjunct the moon). I can’t seem to help moving around between cities and jobs, at least throughout my 20s.

        Fire Pluto on the ascendant makes me think PHOENIX. I love the idea of creating characters to “carry” the fire! I’m definitely attracted to fiery characters like Katniss of the Hunger Games. Creating characters seems like another way to seek out the people who balance our chart elements.

    • Reply Devi September 18, 2015 at 6:48 pm

      I love your vision of your dream house!

      My only fire, likewise, is Uranus in Sag (H3), although my basic chart has a Fixed Earth overtone. I also see myself as a driven person with big career goals, but I likewise think I come off as being calm and grounded. Which is funny, because having Sun and Mercury in Aqua means that most of the time, my mind is super electric.

      • Reply inanna September 19, 2015 at 10:54 am

        aquaplume, maybe the earth-tone people are quite driven with big goals, and it’s not such a contradiction — we’re just quieter, more steady workers than those with fiery personalities.

    • Reply Parisa September 19, 2015 at 2:10 am

      Same here…my only Fire is Uranus in Sagg, 3rd house. I think it’s to blame for how fiery people think I am in discussions…I’ve been called harsh and opinionated. But I think I’m just thinking ahead, collating facts and opinions (Gem sun+merc), speaking with conviction…the little bit of fire makes all the Air in my chart RISE and move…

  • Reply Parisa September 19, 2015 at 2:04 am

    So in my chart is was a tie between Fixed and Mutable with 4 planets in each…the clincher was both my sun and moon being in Mutable signs…

    Making me a Mutable Water = Pisces.

    This is the sign my moon is in and I remember feeling so relieved when I found this out originally. I’m super Mercurial by nature…so much going on in Gemini and Virgo rising. This helped me explain why secretly inside I would be so emotional and sensitive but outwardly bubbly. It was a revelation.

    Curiously if Mutable hadn’t have won out over Fixed my chart vibe would be Scorpio instead. I have Saturn and Pluto in Scorp and honestly it is an energy that I am always a bit unsure of, how to apply it in my life.

    But Pisces works for me…I’m a yoga teacher and crafter atm…got my degree in music once upon a time and wrote poetry and songs. So at least I was working that energy right for a time 🙂

  • Reply cousinribby September 19, 2015 at 2:49 am

    I have at least one in everything:
    Fire 3, Air 5, Earth 1 and Water 1 / Cardinal 5, Fixed 2, Mutable 3

    I have five in Libra, including sun, so cardinal air is my chart tone.

    I definitely feel happiest and most secure when I’m studying, writing or reading; I did philosophy and English at uni, and now my work is editing, writing and social media management. I love strategic puzzles and games like sudoku, scrabble, crosswords, and I do them daily. I’m obsessed with history and I’m quite involved in a maritime archaeological assn, in which we do a lot of diving field work on shipwrecks and submerged heritage sites. I also do our newsletter and social media.

    I find meditation very calming as I’m prone to obsessive thoughts, worry and paranoia. I practice it regularly at home and at the local Buddhist centre, and have done some long, silent meditation retreats. Also running and walking are so important, or I get depressed.

    As I’ve gotten past my Saturn return I’ve connected back in with my intellect more and it’s very soothing for me. I rejoined Mensa, stopped trying to dumb myself down, and gave up acting like the more mutable types I was for some reason trying to be. I love connecting with other people who are curious thinkers, and accepting that has had a hugely beneficial and ‘opening’ effect on my life.

  • Reply Somnambulista September 19, 2015 at 2:30 pm

    I have 4 earth, 4 air, 2 fire, no water.
    My moon is in Earth (Virgo), so I guess that breaks the tie.
    That makes me mutable earth= Virgo

    My husband is Cardinal Air=Libra

    Virgo seems to be a lot of my makeup. I had always assumed OCD, but maybe it’s just all the Virgo tone and influence.

  • Reply Amy September 20, 2015 at 7:57 am

    I have 4 fire: Venus, Moon, Uranus, and Neptune
    I have 2 air : Saturn and Pluto
    I have 2 earth: Sun and Mercury
    I have 2 water + AC: Mars and Jupiter

    It’s funny because I always thought water was my main element, but fire is clearly the winner. I think it actually makes so much sense because I have always loved being physically active. I played so many sports growing up and I still enjoy exercising and being physically active. I do find that what was listed for fire and water both apply to me and aren’t necessarily so opposed to one another.

    I am Mutable Fire so that’s Sagittarius!

  • Reply Lola September 23, 2015 at 2:30 am

    With Mr. Harrison Ford, I would call his chart tone Cardinal Water, or Cancer, and him having Sun/Moon here would add weight to this. However, he has Mutable Earth rising…so it’s a tough call…but I’m still sticking to Cardinal Water.

    I am Sun in Pisces, Moon & ASC in Leo but my chart tone is Mutable Fire, or Sagittarius, and I TOTALLY relate to this. I am adventurous, freedom-loving, open-minded, exploratory, into higher learning, philosophy, a spiritual seeker…

  • Reply sofoc123 September 23, 2015 at 7:38 pm

    Sorry for my lagged entry on this hack, I had done in my head but wanted to check if should be focusing on the personal planets mainly to grok this?

    I have Sun and Merc (libra), moon (Aqua), Venus and Mars (Virgo)

    Which equals 3 air, 2 earth / 2 Cardinal, 2 mutable and 1 fixed = Cardinal air or libra chart tone

    When I add in the others

    Saturn (Scorpio)
    Pluto (lib)
    Jupiter, Neptune, uranus (Sag)

    That’s 4 air, 3 fire, 2 earth and 1 water
    4 Cardinal, 5 mutable, 2 fixed

    Air is for sure but wondering if Libra or Gemini wins out…given Sun has more weight perhaps that would tie with mutable for 5 each and overrule? Hmmm.

    Perhaps this v indecision is my answer ?

    • Reply Kimmy September 23, 2015 at 8:32 pm

      Hi Sofoc,

      I’m counting up your modalities and getting 3 C, 5 M and 2 F. I love the way your post has a Libra feel, but based on the above, I would call the chart tone Gemini!

      We use the 10 planets, but go ahead and throw in the Ascendant to compare. What do you come up with then, Is that your other Cardinal sign?

      • Reply sofoc123 September 24, 2015 at 1:39 pm

        Thanks Kimmy! My asc is Pisces…so that would swing it to mutable (Gemini) for sure then right

        I guess this makes sense…my NN is in Gemini after all 🙂

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