The Houses

Second House Vibe


The great Russian Fyodor Dostoyevsky, (Crime & Punishment) whenever he wrote a succesful novel, would feel that the financial security he had gained made the act of creation unnecessary. He would take his entire savings to the casino and would not leave until he had gambled away his last penny. Once reduced to poverty he could write again.

Okay, so Dostoyevsky had North Node (true path) in Pisces and in the 2nd House. This is a kind of extreme example but you can see how the desire to dissolve and transcend (Pisces) led to this constant diminish and refill vibe, right? Almost like he took his own financial tide out and then in again.

The 2nd House is fascinating.  It’s the $$$ sector and transits through this house often correspond with changes in the financial circumstances of the person. But it’s also your attitudes toward wealth/no wealth/prosperity/poverty consciousness, self esteem and consumption.

People with strong 2nd houses are often well-off but they’re also strongly invested and emotional about consumption, not being ‘ripped off’ and/or desiring financial independence.

Here is a good example: This is Jay Leno, who has his Taurus Sun-Lilith in the 2nd house. You can see it right?


The little numbers in the middle of the chart are the sectors or houses and the angles (the borders of the 1st, 4th, 7th and 10th houses ) are marked on the outside.

Anyway, Jay Leno is a successful talk show host and you can see that in the gregarious Sagittarius Midheaven – Aquarius Rising also.  Chelsea Handler has Aquarius Rising and a Sagittarius Midheaven also. They connect with the people, they vibe ‘honest’ and genuinely enjoy relating to a big audience.

But that Sun/Lilith in the 2nd House vibe says that the person is fierce about financial independence. This is someone who would way rather see their cash liquid and in the bank, where they can deploy it if need be, rather than on their feet in the form of fancy shoes or in a big status object.

Here is Leno on his $$$:

When Jay Leno recently retired from more than 20 years of hosting the Tonight show, he shared a little secret: He never spent any of what he earned from the show ($15 million annually in the final years), but instead continued to live off income from his standup comedy act. “When I was a kid, I had two jobs,” wrote Leno in Parade magazine. “I worked at a Ford dealership and at a McDonald’s. I’d spend the money from one job and save the money from the other. That’s still the way I am now.”

And then, speaking of Chelsea Handler, she’s Venus in Aries in the 2nd House – in sync to Uranus.

I had so much money saved by the time I was 12, because I was, like, Oh gosh, I’ve got to get my own apartment soon. And then, I remember looking through my parents’ financial records, and confronting them and saying, ‘Why isn’t Mom’s name on the deed to this house?’ And my dad said, ‘Where’s the deed?’ I’m like, ‘I just found it, with my birth certificate, and why isn’t Mom’s name on the deed?’ And my mom was like, ‘Oh, never mind, Dad is in charge of all that.’ And I thought, why is he in charge? What if something happens to him, God forbid—it never has. Why isn’t your name on there? And my mom said, ‘Because, I trust him, he’s my husband.’ And she had no idea—and I was 12, and I’m like, that’s not right! Everything could go wrong in a second. Anything could happen, and, you know, in life things do happen.

There is more here, in Vanity Fair, and it’s deeply instructive of a 2nd Houser.

Another example: Cher and her Mars/Pluto in Leo in the 2nd House.

“I’m scared to death of being poor. It’s like a fat girl who loses 500 pounds but is always fat inside. I grew up poor and will always feel poor inside. It’s my pet paranoia.”

Eminem- North Node in Capricorn (as opposed to Dostoyevsky’s Pisces) in the 2nd House:

“I always try to be smart. I try to treat all the money I’m making like it’s the last time I’m going to make it.”

Don’t buy into old propaganda about Saturn (for example) being a negative influence. Mark Zuckerberg, the founder of Facebook, has Saturn here and on Pluto for extra oomph.  Sometimes it can indicate early financial fears and insecurity that inform the person with wisdom and discipline beyond their years. Sophia (Saturn in the 2nd) Loren has always said she counts “growing up in poverty” as one of her greatest blessings.

So when you’re looking at the 2nd House, the more loaded it is, the more emotions and psychic energy there are tied up in $$$.  These can play out in chic frugality, no matter what the income level OR in crazy, debt-ridden chaos. But it won’t be just on a neutral setting.

The classic MOGUL aspect or transit is Jupiter in sync (trine) to Pluto. Bill Gates has this in the 2nd house. Dude is rich, obviously. You see this time and time again with people who have great wealth, be it self-made or inherited. Warren Buffett has Jupiter-Pluto conjunct as well – you’ve gotta love this aspect – but in the 7th House and with Lilith in Aquarius in the 2nd House. Time and time again, he has bucked conventional wisdom around making money and won.

Transits through the 2nd House and any sort of Jupiter Pluto activation what-so-ever are the ones to watch for $$$. Saturn transits through the 2nd House can bring financial challenges but they can also bring more money and the responsibilities that go with that. For instance, you get a hefty rise in some job, it throws out the power balance in your relationship and you’re busy all the time so the partner resents the new deal. Or your biz goes gang-busters and all of a sudden  you’re dealing with a tax bill you did not provision for.

The main thing with the 2nd House is work with what you have: First look at the sign on the cusp of the house, as that gives it is back-drop. Aries likes to hustle. Virgo likes to analyze. Libra needs – yes – balance. So work with that and do something that fits the sign. Then assess the planets & try and see them as characters that are alive in your financial psyche no matter what you earn. What do they want?

Lastly, look at the transits as – especially the outer planets – are like visitors to this sector/house and they’re going to be there a long time, manifesting as eras and evolution in one’s life.  For instance, Uranus through the 2nd house often first feels like the rug is pulled out beneath one but then wham; innovation and the  resulting independence and Anti-Fragility.

Venus through the 2nd is a good time to strut out and score extra cash, investors or a loan, whatever.  But with the deeper meanings of the 2nd House, it all comes back to self-worth – do you feel deserving of what you or your business earns? Or do you feel that something inherent within means you lose money once you have it? Or that it’s not moral to have it?

Do you horde it or binge spend it? What do you consider to be status? The freedom to move and respond to unexpected events or, you know, a Gucci watch/really nice soft furnishings?  Have you ever done things for money that you would really rather not have done? How has your experience of wealth/poverty shaped your psyche? The 2nd house does not get as much oomph as some of the houses but it’s totally fascinating to think about.

On a really baseline level, you can think about it as how you can make money the most naturally. Mercury there = money via your words.  Jupiter-Pluto = hey you’re made already.

Two more examples to think about: Paris Hilton and Oprah Winfrey – both arguably at their peak fame during the Neptune in Aquarius years (late Nineties to 2011) – have Venus, Sun and Mercury in their 2nd House.  Winfrey is self-made, Hilton is obviously not – although doubtless she would argue this – so what is the difference in these astrological positions?

Oprah Winfrey has Saturn square her Aquarius stellium in the 2nd – that’s work but also the wisdom she’s honed and her contribution to society.  Like her or not, she evolved the culture. Hilton has Jupiter and Pluto  – not conjunct – but together in Libra  and the Pluto is TRINE the Aquarius.




Image: Goldie Hawn – The Heist


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  • Reply Isle of Isa December 7, 2015 at 12:33 am

    I have my Leo Sun intercepted in the 2nd house. I feel like I need to figure out how to work through this interception somehow.

    • Reply rachel December 7, 2015 at 1:33 am

      Did you have any notable experiences during the recent Jupiter in Leo year? Also, the recent Jupiter/Venus conjunction?

      • Reply Isle of Isa December 7, 2015 at 10:44 am

        I had some great Jupiter transits 🙂

  • Reply scorpiodawn December 7, 2015 at 12:49 am

    i’ll tell you my thoughts-my 2nd hse is empty, damn! no transits coming up either.
    the hse cusp is in Gemini- does that mean I should get writing?
    it’s weird tho, coz I love money and I’m generally gd with it.
    to me it means security. I always like to have a little bit of savings in the bank.
    I have toro rising, which I’ve read means gd with money.
    I do have the mogul transit coming up next yr tho so who knows????

    • Reply [email protected] December 7, 2015 at 1:22 pm

      I have nothing in the second house either. I love money too. I save each week and leave some for spending too. I would love to be wealthy but I make sure I enjoy what I have.
      My 2nd house is in taurus. Not sure what to make of it.

      • Reply Mystic Medusa December 9, 2015 at 12:52 am

        Taurus here is great with storing cash & it would only be an issue if you clung onto things too long, scared of losing out if you got rid of even things you no longer liked or made regular use of.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 9, 2015 at 12:51 am

      Gemini is ruled by Mercury – from where we get the word mercantile. Mercury/Gemini in the 2nd is often canny – like picking up really cool ‘bargains’ and life hacks that have an almost magical air.

  • Reply Scorpio December 7, 2015 at 12:54 am

    I have Scorpio on the cusp of the second house. I have the sun there too and then Neptune conjunct mercury in the second house but that’s in sadge. Cancer on my mc. Pluto conjunct my ascendant. I love psychic work. Tarot n clairvoyant readings 🙂

    • Reply Antonia December 8, 2015 at 9:10 am

      Hi Scorpio on the cusp of the second house also, and Cancer on my MC but no planets in second house. Use to do lots of tarot, magical therapy really in my case, readings everywhere for work. Looking for new challenge now.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 9, 2015 at 12:53 am


  • Reply Parisa December 7, 2015 at 1:00 am

    Hmmm I have Pluto and south node in Scorp in the 2nd house, which is ruled by Libra.

    Pluto is trine Mars in Cancer (intercepted) in my 10th house.

    I have always gotten by…enough to survive…somehow spend it all when I have more than I need…and have definitely done this for money that left me feeling used or icky after.

    My Pluto is also directly opposing my Venus in Taurus and she looooooves nice things. It feels like boom/bust forever.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 9, 2015 at 12:54 am

      Okay i don’t abide by this but i remember the karmic astrologer Martin Schulman saying South Node here was rich but corrupt in a past life – so you have weird sexy money karma. Eg; you were a corrupt empress or something. Rasputin lol

  • Reply Keith December 7, 2015 at 1:04 am

    “I’ve tried all I can, understanding, all the fools and all their money
    When half of what they’ve got, you know they never will use
    Enough to get by, suits me fine, I don’t care if they think I’m funny
    I’m never gonna change my point of view”

    Supertramp – “Poor Boy”

    The 2H is my Virgo stellium. I also have Uranus 2 Deg before the cusp and Mercury 2 Deg after the cusp in Leo. Therefore Leo ruled. Tho I gel with the Virgo vibe more than Leo. I have Mars 0 Deg, Pluto 2 Deg and Venus 9 Deg. As well as Vesta and Karma. Money is something I have not been successful with in any aspect. (I’m a Kataka; go figure).

    I’d imagine Leo’s sunny disposition to be a factor in ‘just attracting’ money and this has not happened. Money I’ve accumulated has been through hard work; thru Virgo servitude I imagine. I’ve made my money thru trades or teaching trades.

    Mars Pluto seems to play out in trying to get ahead and then something comes along and puts me back at Sq One. Venus has not got much of a Geurnsey!

    Epiphany.:.:.:….I think I should be looking to my Merc/Uran split house conjunct. Mainly bcos it is in Leo and on the Cusp of the 2H. This could go hand-in-hand with my 3H Libran NN, 7H Aqua Moon and 11H Gem Abuntia. The need to rite the gazillion ideas in my head is a crashing noise that won’t shut up. Maybe I should listen to that. I can be such a dunderhead at times.

    • Reply Keith December 7, 2015 at 1:08 am

      The need to write ‘W’ is a right of passage for anyone who aspires to be a jet righter

    • Reply Keith December 7, 2015 at 1:16 am

      Also Green, in “Pluto”, says something of the ilkitude that the house where Pluto is where your lifelong lessons are.

      Great…my El Guapo is money

  • Reply rachel December 7, 2015 at 1:06 am

    I have Mars and Venus conjunct in Leo in the 2nd–(Sun merc conjunct earlier in leo in the 1st).

    I grew up in a family with little money, didn’t really realize it much though until I met other people who had money–lol. I felt judged for coming from a poor family between the ages of say 7-12–I remember there being a lot of emphasis on “name brand” clothing and food and such, and how I couldn’t have it unless it was something that came through goodwill or something. I remember it seeming really important to me, which is funny to think about now.

    Around the age of 13 (maybe past my Jupiter return?) I really stopped giving a fuck and started to feel a lot more empowered as an individual. I started hanging out “with the guys” a lot more, and they didn’t really seem to care about clothing or those kinds of status symbols. I started to see more value in my abilities, music, theater, intelligence, creativity. I stopped caring about the validation of just anyone, I joined the theater and made friends with a bigger variety of people who were also very much individuals.

    I realize now that my father and mother were both raised by parents/guardians who lived through the depression–so a poverty mindset followed them in that way. My mother was raised by her grandmother (who’s mother had been a teacher for southern belles)–she told me about how her grandmother told her to never eat food that was offered when you were a guest–because while it was polite to offer food, chances were that the person didn’t really have much to spare–that was the mentality that stayed with my grandmother due to her experiences. (She was an interesting woman–Pisces, worked supporting the family rolling cigars at 2 cents a piece, had to turn down a proposal from the man she loved to keep her job, started painting at 40 and became quite good–painted not just on canvas, but also wine bottles and rocks she found laying around–eventually, much later, the man asked her again to wear his ring, and she did.)

    My father’s parents were from Brooklyn–his grandfather immigrated from Ireland. Once again, very poor. There is a famous story about the family going out to dinner to celebrate something and eating the free rolls and makeshift tomato soup with hot water and ketchup. Apparently my father’s grandfather was known to be a “second story man” aka, a thief.

    My father was drafted during Vietnam–(one of the luckiest draftees ever–that is a different story)–and after that had a difficult time working for other people–issues with Authority. He is a Pisces musician, never really made a living from music though. He has great stories about being a hippie, living in San Francisco among other places. He eventually started a relatively successful business as a window cleaner–working for himself, no employees. (I always thought the Pisces/window thing was interesting–cleaning windows–these invisible things through which we view in and out of places.)

    My mother on the other hand basically supported the family–she is a Sag who was very close to finishing college when she got the opportunity to travel to Indonesia teaching English–which of course she did. Next thing you know it had been a few years of travel around the world, and then marriage and a baby and divorce and then another baby and another marriage and then a family to support–and so she ended up working jobs which she was overqualified for just because it was what she felt she could get at the time. She worked managing a McDonald’s for 13 years–not a terrible job–certainly not a great one though. (Since then, she worked a much better managerial job for a big tech company, and is now currently finishing her degree and working towards a job teaching English as a second language.)

    So that is all related to my understanding to money, wealth and the like. I am interested in creative, passionate, love-based pursuits and yet I have received subtle messaging from my upbringing that following my passions is risky–and difficult to monetize. Which may indeed be true, lol, AND YET in my life, I experienced a very interesting thing in that the year of my life I lived possibly the best was the year I had the least money. And so, going from there, accepting that I can be happy and feel gratitude and abundance anywhere I go as long as I am savvy and creative…that is something. And I have continued to make more and more money every year–and yes, the Jupiter in Leo transit did correlate to a period of money making–I was working two jobs in addition to the business I am starting with my partner–my son in one and a half though, so that was/is quite the motivation.

    • Reply Kellie December 7, 2015 at 3:36 pm

      I like your stories, and I get that – the messaging that following your passions is risky. My parents got out of generational poverty by focusing on making money as a team and nothing else. Now they are a world unto themselves and every conversation with my father ends in how much money I’m making (that and gardening – vegetables of course). I distanced myself from their choices early on, and managed to follow my passions and get by. You will too. It’s no fun being poor, but there are other things in life than making buckets of cash, and there’s no reason your passion won’t pay off.

    • Reply rachel December 8, 2015 at 1:17 pm

      Haha, I also almost forgot to mention–I struggle with the poverty minadset borderline hording/not wanting to throw things out–which, I think there is obvious merit to a “waste not, want not” mentality–and environmentally, thinking about having stuff end up in landfills is upsetting to me–on the other hand, I very intentionally have worked toward letting things go and feeling FREE of the objects, rather than feeling like I am losing something I will never find again, lol. My year on Hawaii helped with this because I literally HAD to give away so much of my belongings and focus on necessity–I have totally had a lot of backslide since returning to the mainland–I still work at it though–Mari Kondo” book has been helpful.

      The first astrologer I consulted with professionally told me my mars/venus conjunction in the second related to the 4 or pentacles–the man clutching things he did not want to let go of–and that learning to let go of physical things would be a theme–and lo and behold.

      I like the motherpeace tarot 4 of pentacles that shows a woman consciously closing/opening the door to her home–intentionally deciding what to allow in/keep out.

      • Reply Mystic Medusa December 9, 2015 at 1:05 am

        This is a beautiful memoir, surely!! Beautiful recollections and 2nd House insights.

    • Reply rachel December 8, 2015 at 1:18 pm

      Also, yes, I have a pretty high sex drive, LOL. My North Node is opposing both mars and venus in Aquarius.

      • Reply Keith December 8, 2015 at 2:29 pm

        You should try Mars/Pluto/Venus/Vesta/Karma conjunct in da 2nd….opposing an empty 8th- Porsche territory, as far as drives go.

        • Reply rachel December 8, 2015 at 4:39 pm

          yes, my nn is also in the 8th, I am in the Pluto in scorpio gen–with my pluto in the 5th–so that too. Haha

    • Reply rachel December 8, 2015 at 4:41 pm

      The Mari Kondo thing about seeing objects as having personalities–having relationships with them–I totally get that. That sounds like it could be a mars/venus thing.

      I think Jung wrote about that kind of feeling too–relationships with objects

      • Reply Karen December 9, 2015 at 4:36 pm

        we are all in relationship with everything in our lives, don’t you think? or we couldn’t have any conception of them?

  • Reply Scorpio December 7, 2015 at 1:07 am

    I’m not the best with money with Neptune in there but some how I always receive what I need… With Scorpio on the cusp I’m very good at getting it, the sun in there too helps.. The Neptune n Mercury conjunction really gives me the skills to do my psychic work.. I teach fitness and dance classes… My mercury in sadge gives me great voice projection in teaching.. No mic needed lol.. Anyone else with Neptune conjunct Mercury in second house??

  • Reply npavlovskaya December 7, 2015 at 1:07 am

    I was waiting for it! I have a packed 2nd house.

    1. Starts with Uranus in Sag at 10 degrees (so transiting Saturn approaching THIS – drumrolls, cold sweat) (quincunx my cancer sun)

    2. Then there’s a POF at 25 degrees Sag + Neptune at 26 degrees Sag (trine my Leo Moon+MC)

    3. And THEN there’s a Capricorn Jupiter at 7 degrees (and no, when transiting Pluto was conjunct, this was a very, very bad year. not financially, just in general)

    I started working when I was 16, worked ever since (except for when caring for a baby daughter or getting another education, but in both these cases I had my ass covered with savings). Family has never been poor, always just a little bit better off than “most people”.
    Now in 2015 I have sold the (really) shitty apartment I have inherited. Really well, for more than it was worth. But I am worried. I am spending (a little bit) more than I am earning. Not critically. And on good stuff. I am in fact living the comfortable life I always wanted to live with my daughter and I appreciate it SO, SO MUCH. It’s nothing too fancy, just comfortable living, good food, a 5min walk to her school, etc. The sold apartment pays for the dentist who I am seeing every week now as well.
    I am planning to start selling something new right after the new moon in my 2nd house.

    But what I’m interested is. I hate being frugal. I love spending money and paying for what I appreciate. I honestly enjoy it. Again, I don’t spend super-much, I just really enjoy spending. But with Saturn approaching I’m thinking: would it be right to just focus on MAKING more (with this I have no problems, I love being payed as much as I love paying), or would I also have to spend less??

    • Reply astraeagold December 7, 2015 at 2:18 am

      lovely description of POF in 2nd – ‘I love spending money and paying for what I appreciate. I honestly enjoy it’. So my thought would be don’t stop that – with Saturn coming through you can think put structure, planning, discipline into place, but in my mind that doesn’t mean that you should forego what you enjoy, just put some structure around it. Which you have alluded to in your comment about starting to sell something.

      • Reply npavlovskaya December 7, 2015 at 6:46 am

        I was reading something re saturn in taurus (similar in vibe to saturn in 2nd) and it said that this is the time to build structure for comfortable living. it this is a valid interpretation for saturn transiting the 2nd house, then i have been working my ass off all year to build just that, and it was a lot of work! And I am now almost complete days before saturn enters my 2nd house.

        but uranus? uranus? what does it have to do with uranus??? uranus is RIGHT on the cusp of my 2nd house. I have experienced some $$ ups and downs (negotiating ridiculously big compensations for being made redundant twice, but then also people stealing from me). the money i am making now are 100% freelance, 100% true to what I want to do, as in 0 compromise in the work I produce. saturn approaching THAT doesn’t seem like a lot of fun

        • Reply Mystic Medusa December 9, 2015 at 1:08 am

          Uranus means you INVENT and Saturn makes it more structured.

          • npavlovskaya December 27, 2015 at 7:12 am

            BTW, somewhere around that time (saturn conj my uranus right on the cusp of my 2nd house) i found out that my mom’s husband who has borrowed 3K from me just a couple of months ago to go to florence and spend a couple of wonderful weeks with historical documents from the local archives (he’s a historian), and that he promised to pay me back by february cannot be payed back because he’s not getting the grant money he was promised.
            that worked like a good financial enema. i’m not in debt, but i have a nice little zero on my account at the moment. there are still people who owe me money, so that + work will keep me afloat, and of course i will get that 3K back eventually, sooner or later. but starting the saturn transit through my 2nd with no available money is refreshing. i was starting the saturn transit though my 1st with very little ambition other that to just keep breathing, after a total private catastrophe.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 9, 2015 at 1:07 am

      Pluto over your Jupiter was not good at ALL?

      With Saturn through the 2nd, it can be intense hard work to next level something big. Like turning pro.

      • Reply npavlovskaya December 9, 2015 at 2:50 am

        Yes! It wasn’t good at ALL! I love my life, but if I could choose one year out of my adult life that was just the worst, it would be the Pluto over Jupiter year. I was second to everyone around me – a cardinal torture. Plus, a lot of disappointments, heartbreak, tragedy and confusion.
        The next years of Pluto/Uranus crashing my cancer sun were just as brutal, but very, very productive and energized. Considering this, I’m looking forward to Pluto opposing my cancer Venus. But conjunction with Jupiter was merde.
        And thank you for the Uranus=invent idea!

  • Reply anpan December 7, 2015 at 1:08 am

    2nd house Cancer Sun, but Gemini on house cusp. Sun is out-of-house conjunct NN (4 deg orb) and squared by Mars and Saturn in Libra.
    As a child, I was frugal (my dad called me cheap when I was pre -teen). I never asked my parents for expensive things and was always very conscious of how much things cost. We were middle class but my parents had a lot of job instability.
    Now, my husband and I are great financially and have a lot of earning potential even in a down economy. The main thing I LOVE about having a healthy bank account is that I don’t have to worry about money. We aren’t extravagant spenders but we don’t scrimp. However, I still deliberate forever on spending money on non-essential items and often talk myself out of buying things.
    I also found it confusing that despite my 2nd house sun, I hate thinking about investment issues. Maybe this is the Gemini effect on the house? Material goods and wealth don’t relate to status for me, but intellect and morals do. Must be the Gem and Sat at work there.

    • Reply anpan December 7, 2015 at 1:10 am

      I also don’t respect people as much if they just got things handed to them, didn’t pay their dues, so to speak. Probably from Saturn square.

      • Reply Mystic Medusa December 9, 2015 at 1:08 am

        Saturn can totally get a bit judgy re that sort of thing

  • Reply Miss Sarai December 7, 2015 at 1:24 am

    Sun & Venus (conjunct) plus Mercury in the 2nd with Gemini on the cusp. No current transits. I’d definitely say that where money’s concerned I like to feel secure. Both my sun and Venus square my Saturn, oppose my Neptune, & trine my Pluto.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 9, 2015 at 1:09 am

      do you make $ via your words/thoughts at all?

      • Reply Miss Sarai December 9, 2015 at 11:17 am

        I don’t, but I really love writing (& reading) and would like it if I could make my $ through doing that. But having said that it feels like there’s stuff holding me back from doing it, if that makes any sense?!

  • Reply Isis December 7, 2015 at 1:29 am

    Sun in Leo/2nd House sextile Pluto in Libra/4th.

    Would love to announce my enormous 1%-ter wealth here … but no! I think this aspect is more about psychological gold, lol.

    • Reply Isis December 7, 2015 at 2:15 am

      I would mention I am horrible with money. It’s not that anyone told me it was bad, it was just never mentioned at ALL.
      I thought I was going to join a nunnery at 13, by 20 I was focused on mysticism and by 25 I hit the road with a few pennies in my pocket and a belief the universe would take care of me. (SaggiNN)
      Always preferred poverty to working without a vocation.
      It is only because I married a sensible person I am living above the poverty line today. (NN/7th).
      My Sun trine Neptune probably is more powerful than my Sun sextile Pluto!?

      Because I am always appreciative I always feel I am luckier than most. Truth is, sometimes what I have is crap, but it’s more than I expect.
      Predominantly watery, people always adopted me, clearly noting I am too stupid for this world.

      Even my Saturn is conjunct Venus and so kind of floopy!

      Mercury in the 2nd House means I have learned. Being so watery I needed an emo context for the information to get through though…

      • Reply Sagitta December 7, 2015 at 8:36 am

        “Because I am always appreciative I always feel I am luckier than most. Truth is, sometimes what I have is crap, but it’s more than I expect. . . people always adopted me, clearly noting I am too stupid for this world. Even my Saturn is conjunct Venus and so kind of floopy!”

        Yep–same here:
        You: SaggoNN; me: SaggoAC;
        You and me both: NN7H;
        You: Sun trine Neptune; Me Sun conjunct Neptune
        You and me both: Sun sextile Pluto
        You: Saturn cnjnct Venus; Me: Saturn cnjnct Moon

        • Reply Isis December 7, 2015 at 3:40 pm

          Yes Saggita, I have noticed we have a bit in common here and there!! I am a July Tiger year in my 40’s. How about you?

          • Sagitta December 7, 2015 at 8:17 pm

            November dragon in my 50s. 🙂

          • Keith December 7, 2015 at 9:11 pm

            Should I be afraid?
            Sounds scary
            Nov Dragons, July Tigers,
            Just need a March Orca.
            I will never leave the house….

          • Fauness December 7, 2015 at 9:13 pm

            How about a fire snake? Sssssssss

          • Isis December 7, 2015 at 9:19 pm

            What Chinese year r u PowF? R u a June or July?

          • Keith December 7, 2015 at 9:37 pm

            A Bore’
            I mean Boar
            A Swine,
            I mean Pig.

            Same day as Cat and Robin.

          • Keith December 7, 2015 at 9:49 pm

            Just looked up Pig at the Chinese supermarket astro.

            Guess what? I’m Yin and Water there too.

          • Isis December 8, 2015 at 4:23 am

            A July Pig doesn’t sound scary at all.. Quite celebratory in fact!

          • Keith December 8, 2015 at 5:03 am


          • Isis December 8, 2015 at 5:19 am

            Chinese New Year coming up, 😉

          • Isis December 8, 2015 at 5:21 pm

            As in edible.. My mil loves her pork.

      • Reply ICPluto December 7, 2015 at 6:19 am

        “My Sun trine Neptune probably is more powerful than my Sun sextile Pluto!?”. Sphinx, I see trines as constantly hooked iv drips, that is why it is so easy to just let it flow with this aspect – sometimes too much! Sextiles for me are more like the “business card” approach – we meet, we get along well, I give you my card, it´s up to you to contact me or not.

        I have Saturn conjunct Venus and I learned to love this aspect. As with all things involving Saturn, it takes *time*. 🙂

        • Reply Isis December 7, 2015 at 3:46 pm

          i.v. drip connect to Neptune 😯 woah!!
          Neptune is also sextile my Pluto – apparently this is the most powerful aspect in my chart (according to the Wallter Pullen delineation).

          Why do you love your Saturn/Venus ICPluto?
          What does it mean for you?
          My Mercury/Sat/Venus are in Cancer (Merc in the 2nd) Sat/Venus in the 1st.

          I do try to honour my Mercury in the 2nd by learning about money, markets (a bit!) and read blogs on finance and industrial espionage/corruption, but it is more at the intellectual level I like $ than at the spreadsheet level.

          • ICPluto December 8, 2015 at 4:57 am

            Sphinx, Saturn-Venus conjunction (mine is in Taurus) reminds me of what Marcus Aurelius praised about his (grand)father: comforts that fortune supplies in abundance are enjoyed without arrogance and without apology. If they are there, take advantage of them; if not, don´t miss them.

            I appreciate the value of the advice my mentors gave me – discipline with no whiff of authoritarianism. One can be stable, dependable without being paralyzed by rigidity.

            It takes a while to learn self-discipline and to mature one´s tastes to make better choices. Saturn has taught my Venus how to feel “bien dans sa peau” 🙂 More chiseled features in my 40s than the moonface of my 20s.:) xx

          • Isis December 8, 2015 at 4:01 pm

            You are so connected! Yesterday I was reading Marcus Aurelius quotes and I have only done that once before my life
            *sigh* the freakiness of it all..!

            High five to the really good cheekbones, somebody said they could grate cheese off them when I was thinner, lol.
            I do see the beauty of structure. And I do appreciate the idea of OTHER people’s spreadsheets!
            Am sure you are beautiful!

        • Reply Fauness December 7, 2015 at 7:58 pm

          I.V. drips and business cards… woah!

          • ICPluto December 8, 2015 at 5:10 am

            Mystic makes it sound better with “sexy sextiles”. I´m still rough around the edges with my interpretations. 🙂 xx

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      • Reply Keith December 7, 2015 at 11:26 am

        Hang on Floopy, Floopy hang on

        • Reply Isis December 7, 2015 at 3:39 pm

          Just realised my 2nd House is ruled by Cancer. Even less excuse for floopy-ness!!
          Thx Powder, xx.

      • Reply Mystic Medusa December 9, 2015 at 1:10 am

        You sound SUPER Neptune for sure! A Haute Neptunian

        • Reply Isis December 9, 2015 at 2:50 am

          Haha, thanks Mystic, the Gem partner might not agree entirely – the other day I was holding him to task for something I perceived he did in another life, lolol.

          (p.s. he totally deserved it).

      • Reply Kellie December 9, 2015 at 1:31 am

        I love ‘floopy’! Wish I could find a use for it myself. Btw sun in leo 2nd house just says generosity to me. That combined with Sagg NN and no wonder you’re doing ok. What goes around, comes around.

        • Reply Isis December 9, 2015 at 2:48 am

          That’s a nice thought Alouetta and I do like to see people get their needs met, thx!

  • Reply Sagitta December 7, 2015 at 9:38 am

    My 2H is Capri– empty except for Ceres at 12 Capri. My 8H opposite in Cancer is also empty, except for Orcus at 14 Cancer. I don’t know what to make of these asteroid placements– maybe Kimmy knows!

    The ruler of my 2H Capri, Saturn, is in my 3H. This is pretty straightforward– I make money through communication (I teach writing.)

    I have an ambivalent relationship with money: on the one hand, I don’t need a lot; on the other hand, I worry sometimes about not having enough of the little that I do need.

    I grew up poor, which was not that bad, except for seeing my parents fight over money every single day, so I resolved to have money, or marry a guy with money when I grew up, and that’s what I did.

    I make peanuts at my teaching gig, especially because I work part time. My husband’s job is what pays the mortgage and enables me to live a life that is way more comfortable than I need.

    So this is what puzzles me: astrologically speaking, where is the darn FAT-CAT Lifestyle $$$ coming from? My 2H is empty and my 8H (other people’s money–like my husband’s) is empty as well! Is it my Gemini NN in the 7th house plus my Venus in Libra in the 11th?

    I find that although I NEED very little, I often WANT many things, so I would like to share this cool frugality strategy:
    When I want something, I put it on a wish list, telling myself I will buy it if I still want it after a week. By the time a week has passed, I no longer want that thing–I want something else! Works like a charm to keep me within budget.

    • Reply JodiCleghorn December 9, 2015 at 4:50 pm

      Oh hello!!! I am also empty 2nd and 8th houses (and no obvious asteroids in either) and I also have a totally ambivalent attitude toward money/belongings etc.

      Mine are in Taurus and Scorpio.

      Going to dig back through transits because second house to me makes more sense as house of self worth and most fundamental values. That I can tune into with my Sagg Mercury!!

      Someone else also made an important connection between the ruler of the sign of the second house and its placement in the natal chart. Again. Something else to poke at.

    • Reply JodiCleghorn December 9, 2015 at 4:54 pm

      I also have a partner who makes enough money for both of us which has allowed me to run a small for-passion business, to have done loads of volunteer work, to have raised a child and most recently to have home schooled that child. I feel blessed to have been saved money angst.

      • Reply Karen December 9, 2015 at 5:15 pm

        oh good point! Gem 2nd house likes to fritter according to MM above and where of where do I have Mercury? In Libra 5th house conjunct Jupiter. Party anyone? Beautiful things for my children? give it all away Leonic style? sure, why not!

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 10, 2015 at 2:41 am

      this is an interesting question – NN in the 7th for sure but also Capricorn/2nd House – even with nothing there – is going to give you a more wise and measured approach there, just naturally.
      I mean you’re supported to an extent by your husband but you’re not charging around like Madam Bovary, you have a frugality strategy. That’s cool.

  • Reply Kellie December 7, 2015 at 2:54 am

    Mars in Taurus (2nd House) trine Moon in Virgo and Venus in Capricorn. I am a saver! I hate debt, I’ve never had a credit card, I never will.

    My parents were born poor, but got out of it. Because I wasn’t born poor, I had the luxury of choosing other things. I’m comfortable, but I don’t have their drive for making money, and so I stay floating around the poverty line. I can work hard, but not at something that doesn’t interest me, and the things that interest me don’t generate much money.

    I find it easy and satisfying to strike up business partnerships with women, and I’m super sensitive about wage transparency and getting a fair deal for myself and everyone I work with. It would be a mistake to try and rip me off, because I have some serious staying power when it comes to tracking down non-payers. Plus I’ve had the benefit of working in the arts where I learned to treat the concept of ‘working for the exposure’ with the contempt it deserves.

    My dream is to make enough money so I can buy land, build a small castle, make a sculpture/permaculture garden and be totally self-sufficient. But not just yet. Timing is everything.

    • Reply Kellie December 7, 2015 at 2:56 am

      Oh and the Mars is square Jupiter/Sun in Aqua. Not sure how to make that work. Any ideas would be great.

    • Reply Isis December 8, 2015 at 4:03 pm

      You sound so grounded it’s very enviable.
      I can’t imagine have that gravitas from such a young age but I imagine that it would be really supportive to a calm state of mind. And Taurus Mars – astro envy. Ever Ready Bunny energy.

      • Reply Kellie December 9, 2015 at 1:22 am

        I think my trines make me complacent though, and suspect the square might be more useful to me. Ha Everyready! I wish 🙂

  • Reply Methinky December 7, 2015 at 3:07 am

    I have Jupiter in Gemini in the second house trining Pluto in libra in the fifth. Where’s my dough, please?! Just kidding, i have always done ok with resources although I didn’t grow up with actual money and have been a workamaniac all of my life. I am also driven by Mars and Lilith also in the second, but both in Cancer. There have been times where I have been scared that I would be left alone and penniless, or be diddled. That Mars is squaring Pluto, and with Pisces Mercury exact on my Midheaven, I’m going to combine both superpowers by being a great advocate. It turns out I’m a really good negotiator/mediator.

    • Reply Methinky December 7, 2015 at 5:19 am

      Focus = independence

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 9, 2015 at 1:13 am

      Only a complete moron would diddle someone with Mars-Lilith square Pluto lol. Has Neptune crossed Mercury/Midheaven yet?

      AND a lot of Gemini 2nd housers here.

      • Reply Karen December 9, 2015 at 4:37 pm

        who else is spending their money on online courses? lol 🙂

  • Reply Karen December 7, 2015 at 3:19 am

    ohh, great! I definitely have 2nd house issues! lol

    Gem on the cusp, then the only thing there is Lilith in Cancer which is intercepted. Lilith opposes Mars in Cap and trines Neptune on the DC.

    what’s the verdict? mutable earning capacity drawing attention away from the inner social outcast with security issues?

    traditionally I’ve been a spender, problems believing I deserve jobs and money….Pluto in opposition changing things now

    • Reply Karen December 7, 2015 at 3:40 am

      deets: worked in menial jobs since age of 14, always enjoyed the role, the people and the labour. Money was a lesser concern. Always worked just enough to live and spent my time doing other things. Had a boring job once (bank teller) but only for a year, again casual and couldn’t ever be bothered to learn the details as they were so boooring. I honestly nearly died from the boredom but I loved my colleagues and my customers. Now I’m an accidental professional and I earn as much in an hour as I did in a week’s full time work in my first job after leaving school but I only do it part time while yes, I have other priorities.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 9, 2015 at 1:15 am

      Mars Lilith wants a castle, a drawbridge and a moat full of sharks. FUQ YOU money basically. Gemini CAN manifest as dilettante energy & yes frittering it. Can also be family history when Lilith is there in Cancer – some wayward anarchic aunt whom was portrayed as flaky or went broke because of her sex-driven choices etc. Look to female ancestors and relatives for a clue as to what lurks in your financial psyche and may need recognition.

      • Reply Karen December 9, 2015 at 2:32 am

        wonderful feedback! thank you Mystic 🙂

        probably carrying some old women’s outcast into poverty business ey? I’ll get onto it 😉

  • Reply sofoc123 December 7, 2015 at 3:30 am

    Empty 2nd H, with Aries on the cusp! Laughed at the ‘hustle’ description, that is pretty spot on…I scrap to get the $ I need, however that is. and if someone tries to rip me off = a mini Mars incarnate. Tho I have quite an ambiguous relationship to money….I swing between two extremes of being v cautious and analyzing all purchases to the nth degree. There is guilt around buying myself nice/luxury items (which my libra sun def craves, if I get something it has to be fine quality generally). I am a minimalist in terms of possessions and am ruthless with cleaning stuff out….however I can also waste money in a neptunian way pretty easily through self sabotaging tendency at times (food, alcohol) – cue Pisces ascendant I guess. Which maybe comes from a low self worth (or not with Aries and I battle internally with what that means and my ego).

    Question – does the 8th house influence 2H attitudes? Or how you can get more $$ working with sign/planets in 2nd?

    My 8H is packed in Libra (sun conjunction Pluto, Mercury too)…so maybe this gives more clues for otherwise empty Arian 2nd.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 10, 2015 at 2:28 am

      THIS is a genius question – and lol re Mars incarnate.

      In practice, the 8th house seems to be more about what you score, what is invested in you, debt…8th House is shared finances and financial relationships

  • Reply Honey Dove December 7, 2015 at 4:21 am

    Saturn in late Sagg in 2nd. Pluto is still parked in 2nd squaring Venus in 11th. Rereading “The Soul of Money”.

    Increasingly frugal- but- core values re: money/power/entitlement in Pluto volcanic cooker. Resolving huge resentments and attitudes (apparent) re wealth/worth- lack thereof.

    Very lucky to work part time- close to home- for decent wage. Kid and elder care zapped my wage-work mojo. Pre ACA carried health ins for us but- now it’s like two mortgages. See under ZZ. LOL!

    Refuse far flung work- however well paid.
    Parent/work balance essential. Struggle to resolve either or thinking for “and”.

    Travel and health unterrupted uni degree. I yearn to finish it-before my kids finish theirs.

    Earning money: Declined offer of art class modeling at uni- saying I wouldn’t want to tell kids about it one day.

    Never had a stereo (that’s pre itunes music source- with vinyls) but lived abroad.

    Libran Venus with Sun in 11th.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 10, 2015 at 2:29 am

      WOW so that is very Saturn, both the natal and dealing with it during the Return…That JUpiter Pluto trine will be great for you though – back in March and then June!

  • Reply Amy December 7, 2015 at 4:26 am

    I have an empty second house, but it’s ruled by Capricorn. I am truly my father’s daughter when it comes to money. Also, my south node is in Capricorn. When I was a student, I was TERRIBLE at math. Yet when I went off to college, I taught myself how to use excel spreadsheets and to budget my money. I have been perfecting the art of budgeting since then. I even paid off our student loans this year! We are debt free except for our house. I have a good balance of saving and spending. We don’t spend frivolously throughout the year, but instead plan big purchases like vacations and Christmas shopping at the beginning of the year. I feel more in control when we have a solid savings in our account, and when we have to use it for emergencies like house projects or whatever…I literally freak out, even though I know we have it and will be ok. I don’t know where this inner freak out over money comes from because I grew up working class and we always had enough my parents were responsible with money. But there is some level of needing to feel safe and secure in my money sector.

    My husband’s 2nd house is ruled by mostly by Libra with a little bit of Virgo and his Mars and Saturn are hanging out in there. We are totally different when it comes to money. First of all, he lets me have complete control over the bills. He likes to have the finer things: new phones and gadgets and video games. I am more about what we NEED, and he is more about what we WANT. It’s a nice balance because I can get into money hoarder mode (when I lived alone I consciously chose not to have cable or a land line phone just to save money). I prefer to spend money on experiences like day trips, vacations, and trying new activities like SUP paddle boarding. But anyways, he always encourages me to spend…and I encourage him to reign it in a bit. So it works out really nicely!

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 10, 2015 at 2:32 am

      this is epic – you are like a textbook class A Cap in the 2nd houser…Moderate & strategic.

      It’s like how i was talking to someone with Capricorn in the 6th House and she was saying she never ate junk food. I was like never? And she explained she ate really well, no fad diets and nice meals out but no binge-boom-bust cycles, no from kale to chaos, stress dealt with in healthy ways – she was legitimately not going to put anything bad in her body.

      So it’s not fear of ill health – it’s cultivating the good. Same with you and money.

  • Reply Anomie December 7, 2015 at 5:01 am

    My 2H is packed. I have a sun-Lilith-mars conjunction with a Sq to jupiter, trines to chiron and neptune and another aspect to uranus. I also have mercury with sq to neptune and saturn in the 2H. And I have the black moon there too. My 2H is in Leo. I am often in debt and while I can always make money, I undervalue myself. I’m always trying to create a living as a screenwriter and just as I get success, I freeze. Then I have to find other employment writing in marketing or research. I can’t actualise the potential in this house. I have attitudes to money and luxuries that sabotage my goals. I really get in my own way!

  • Reply Mystic Medusa December 7, 2015 at 5:27 am

    Fab and exciting comments! It is just past midnight where i am and i’m needing to sleep but will be back on my Tuesday with some thoughts. x

  • Reply Emily December 7, 2015 at 6:10 am

    My second house starts at 14° Aquarius and all it contains is my North Node.

    So currently Neptune and Chiron are working their way through my second.

    Money. Yeah, got none-have no idea how to get any. But I always have what I need, although it isn’t always me who supplies it.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 10, 2015 at 2:33 am

      North Node is your path – it’s the follow your bliss point. It would be interesting for you to read a few epic $ books or set some financial goals and see how that feels for your consciousness? Generally, working your North Node feels fantastic once you get going.

      • Reply Eva December 11, 2015 at 2:50 pm

        The second house for me starts in Taurus and ends in Gemini. The only things I have are my north node, which is conjunct Psych, in the Gemini section. I crave financial security and worry a lot about my future (I am 50) I tend to make bad money decisions. Built my first house at 23 on my own when interest rates where 17% then have managed to lose money hand over fist as I’ve needed to sell or buy at bad times. At 50 I am renting without enough money to re enter the housing market. Now too scared to make a move.

  • Reply ICPluto December 7, 2015 at 6:34 am

    I have Kataka on the cusp but my 2nd house is mostly Leo with Vesta-Lilith conjunct.

    Kataka tries to find emotional security through possessions. It´s not about money, it´s how I FEEL about money. I also see this being attached to values inherited from my family. My family still tries to convince me that you can trust only your own blood when it comes to business. Secondly, they think money is something that shouldn´t be discussed openly (taboo from Pluto in my 4th house?).

    Leo kicks in through the Vesta-Lilith approach that I am able to create my own queendom, it´s undiluted independence, my own blend of “self-determination as my birthright”. Also believing resources are there to be shared and to promote wider prosperity. Self-esteem, self-worth fluctuate and my 2nd house may turn into an insecure crabby cat. I love exclusive things/places, but I think brand obsession is very tacky, and my idea of luxury may seem very dull to others. Freshly pressed linen sheets anyone? 🙂

    I have to say I don´t associate money with work, as I see people working really hard and not being materially rewarded. My Leo would like all artists to be obscenely rich, but my Kataka understands that wealth is not only about

    My 2nd house is squared by Saturn, Mercury and Venus in Toro. It´s a pragmatic approach – conservation and discernment. I don´t follow trends and schemes without pondering for a while, I have to do some kind of risk-asessment to finally make my own decision. One sure way to make me doubt the seriousness of a proposal is hearing a selling pitch that ends with “it´s easy!”.

    Most recent Jupiter transit in my 2nd house sextile my natal Virgo Pluto saw me severing a long work relationship and venturing myself in a new world. I spent a lot of material resources during this period in a process of reevaluation, rediscovery and regeneration (Pluto). Only a Jupiter transit to arm you with a “devil-may-care” attitude. A trine to my Aries Sun as Jupiter was biding adieu to this house made me conclude: “Yeah, I could have invested that money on Wall Street, but doesn´t my hair look better now?”. 🙂

    • Reply Isis December 7, 2015 at 10:19 pm

      I can grok all this. V. similar with the kataka 2nd House and Pluto in the 4th.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 10, 2015 at 2:35 am

      great analysis. Someone i know with a job she hates – working with extended family – feels absolutely tied to it for all these reasons that only kind of make sense. Anyway she has Cancer there and she earns enough to pay for therapy but she splurges on stuff – classic ‘luxury’ goods that she then does not use. YOU are doing this really well, don’t you think? And YES luxury linen sheets.

  • Reply Bryce December 7, 2015 at 7:25 am

    I have Neptune in my 2nd house, which is ruled by Sag. Neptune is trine my Leo Mars, which is conjunct my Midheaven. There’s definite magic for me here, with money — I always manage to conjure something, and am currently making the most I’ve ever made. The flip side is though I’m not very on top of money — it’s more like easy come, easy go, and I have a feeling that Saturn moving through Sag, and my second house is going to sharpen my focus in terms of $$$. I’m prepping with a budget and automatic 401K contributions at work.

  • Reply inanna December 7, 2015 at 8:18 am

    I’m Kataka rising, and Kataka on the cusp of my 2nd house, although the rest of 2nd house is Leo. 3rd house is Leo/Virgo. My Part of Fortune is in 2nd house Leo, conjunct asteroid Orcus and opposite Jupiter in Aqua 8th, both making a T-square to NN conj. Lilith in Taurus 11th.

    Money definitely = security for me, and I always want to have enough to feel secure if anything unexpected were to happen. As an artist, I haven’t exactly generated my idea of baseline “enough” yet but I’m working on it in my day job. With a certain amount of savings, the first thing I will buy will be a home. Also the thing I would be most likely to spend extra money on.

    With PoF in Leo, my sense of self worth comes from learning to love myself and also through nurturing my creative work. I believe that the $$$ flows best when I’m creative. When Jupiter transited Leo and I was doing my LOA work, that’s when I was able to find a more creative job and double my salary. (Thanks, Jupiter!) I also like to think of Leo 2nd house as generosity. Yes, security is important, but I always want to be generous with others too. The dark side of my 2nd house Leo is that I can get carried away with debt-fueled spending on the finer things: clothing, good food and wine, haircuts and mani-pedis. That doesn’t have to be a dark side, because I enjoy spending money on the good life, but I have to steer clear of debt.

    I agree with Chelsea Handler — women should always have their names on the deed, figuratively and literally. With Taurus NN, I think my path is a balance between enjoying life’s pleasures and building security through my own wealth.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 10, 2015 at 2:37 am

      Orcus wtf – you show off!
      And yes i was touched to read that aspect of Chelsea Handler.

  • Reply krs3 December 7, 2015 at 9:03 am

    I have a second house Pluto in Libra in my 2nd. Conjunct Eros, too.

    I attract a lot. Just generally. I attract and pull in.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 10, 2015 at 2:38 am

      WOW has Uranus opposed this yet? That could be spectacular

  • Reply scorpio_rising December 7, 2015 at 9:12 am

    Empty 2nd House
    Scorpio/Sagittarius cusp…transits Saturn, Sun and Mercury.

    • Reply scorpio_rising December 7, 2015 at 9:13 am

      I am entering a stage of hard work that will eventually pay off. Must work that Saturn!

      • Reply Antonia December 8, 2015 at 9:17 am

        Empty 2nd House Scorpio/Sagittarius cusp Transit Saturn just leaving the house. I’m curious to see what my hard work will now bare!

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  • Reply Meredith December 7, 2015 at 10:13 am

    2H Libra cusp, with planets Venus, and Merc/Uranuia conj in Scorpio. I’ve never had a real inclination toward money, I am more of an experiences = value type person as values and resources to me are more of a feeling and are internally driven (watery/emotional Scorpio costume in the Libra 2H set).

    For example: I value this thought, or I value this action, or I value this gesture, I value this moment, or I value this education.

    In fact, money has even been a source of buzz-kill toward creative/professional pursuits. I’ve come to understand things of value have no price tag attached. I’ve a difficult time grouping money and values side by side, to me $$$ falls beneath the “umbrella” of values, and is just one of many avenues for obtaining items that may be of value.

    Growing up in a family with little money, I saw the existence of money as creating limitations/restrictions. But where there is Libra there is a lesson of balance, so maybe this all lies in the point of view. Alternatively, the existence of $$$ creates the possibility of freedom/no bounds.

    I want to start tapping more into my Mercury + Uranus conj in Scorpio 2H vibe and SEE/IMPLEMENT how I can put a new spin on how I look at money – rather than as chains and imprisonment – as freedom, as access, as a pathway to more of those “experiences” that I value.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 10, 2015 at 2:44 am

      You seem like a James Altrucher – Choose Yourself – sort of a person from this. I don’t know his birth time but he’s got a strong Uranian signature – you invent your own $$$ and prosperity values. EG: with Altrucher, he is against home ownership, debt & degrees – the standard pathways to wealth in first world countries for many years, and he has a whole philsophy behind this. He’s rich, not off the grid but he rents & is a minimalist. It’s interesting.

      • Reply Meredith January 3, 2016 at 8:14 am

        Thanks MM ^_^ I looked him up and am following his blog now. It’s nice to see this other type of energy/desire manifested!

    • Reply Caritas November 10, 2016 at 11:37 am

      Hi Meredith

      I’m late to this course, so this reply might get lost, but wanted to comment on your description. I recognise your need to go back and redefine the whole concept of value. I’ve had times where I was desperately asking around about where people get their work/money ethic. I have no idea. I have just not been able to understand why I have to spend so much of my life in service of money. This meaningless ‘thing’. This does not mean that I want to lie around on the couch. I have always been a high achiever in academia and have two Master’s Degrees and an art degree and have had my own translation business.
      But I still don’t *understand*. I am impressed by your precise redefinition. I too get turned off when money is involved. I feel like many opportunities might even have been lost because I ran from the money. Also this is exactly my childhood: ”Growing up in a family with little money, I saw the existence of money as creating limitations/restrictions.”
      Unsurprisingly, there are some similarities in our charts. I have Mercury and Uranus in Scorpio in the Second House. Uranus squares Mars in Leo and trine my North Node in Cancer. Mercury square my North Node and sextile Pluto in Libra.

      Anyway, thank you for having the clarity to write these things down. I often feel in the dark, and this is mostly because I try to tap into what I perceive to be normal attitudes to money – and there is NO motivation for me there.

      How have you been getting on since this was written last year?

  • Reply Nia December 7, 2015 at 10:16 am

    I have the same 2H as ICPluto. 🙂 Cusp sign is Cancer, but the only energies are in Leo: Lilith conj Vesta, and POF.

    Cancer wants security and comfort, and to be generous. Leo is more more fierce and out there about how that happens.

    Vesta’s like a never-ending burn in that Fire sign—I love to be generous and helpful with my money (Cancer) and following that philosophy I never seem to be in a bad place with my finances no matter how much I have. I make happiness happen either way. Lilith is immune to worry and knows she can do whatever it takes to persevere even if things get tough (sextile Mars). Both Vesta and Lilith are in sync with my Aries NN—I have a purpose and I’ll always be able to generate or manifest the assets I need to accomplish it. Lilith and POF both square my Scorpio stellium in the creative 5H, Venus-Merc-Pluto.

    To me money is energy and is capable of transformation. I worked hard to be where I am. I save and I spend thoughtfully, I never binge spend, I declutter, I manage my excellent credit and 401k and investments, I plan for creativity-fueled active and passive income. I definitely value the freedom to respond (freedom from worry; emotional security) more than owning material luxury. I own fewer things but high quality (Virgo Moon). I didn’t grow up rich or poor, but always felt rich in experiences and resources other than $$. I learned independence and self-sufficiency…because duh, Lilith. 🙂

  • Reply Austinite December 7, 2015 at 10:42 am

    Natal Taurus Sun, Moon, and Jupiter in Aries 2nd House. Definitely having a learning experience with all things 2nd house… Natal Jupiter Opposite Pluto in 8th and Sun square 12th house Aquarius Mars.

  • Reply vikingwoman December 7, 2015 at 10:49 am

    Aquarius on the cusp of the 2nd house but Saturn (11) and Chiron (18) are in Pisces. Chiron is opposing Pluto and Uranus in the 8th and trining my Neptune in Scorpio MC. (18 Scorpio Neptune with 13 MC)

    I rarely made money when I was acting in theater. I made the most money when I was an executive assistant in a financial services company.

    Upcoming transit of Neptune conjunction natal Saturn..I started a beauty brand last year and am struggling to really launch it whilst caring for my 90 year old mom. I’m thinking Neptune could really help me this transit with the brand…but I need therapy first! (Massive detox from a massive Qi Vampire mom ugh!!!)

  • Reply Faith December 7, 2015 at 10:57 am

    I have no major planets in 2nd, but I have Part of Fortune, yet also the South Node, which I think is meant to be where I’m unlucky right? Or that I should try not to pursue… my 2nd house is in Leo, the kind of ostentatious sign… so I should not try to pursue wealth here, even though it’s where I’m lucky?

    Comments please!

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 10, 2015 at 2:47 am

      Noooo South Node is not unlucky. It’s just familiar energy. The path of less resistanece. your default. I have seen people with South NOdes in the 2nd have as their default position the investing of a lot of meaning into things – like status -objects and also be quite conservative with money. They do their 8th house more by being entreprenurial, collaborating with others, backing businesses, investing etc. the 2nd house is not the only money house, just like the 7th is not the only love house

  • Reply Keith December 7, 2015 at 11:42 am

    I think my Sun and Asc colour my 2H appreciation on the matter aft reading what other KatCans are saying. I dont want the money, l want the physical ramparts to life. Also my 2H Virgo Mars n Venus make me go aft quality n value. Ive always owned Euro bikes n cars. I dont want the money, l want the Porsche (& not to pose; thats for Ferrari, Lambo n Maserati drivers). Will only buy cotton, hemp, wool or leather to wear. I will not by food made in China. In fact l dont buy Western ‘Corporate’ food if it can be belped. I’d rather a CD than a download; I get a lyrics, a picture and something to hold.

  • Reply Emma December 7, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    Love this hack. I have no planets in the 2nd house, but it is in Aries. Guess I DO like to hustle 🙂 Chic frugality is my LIFE.

    • Reply Emma December 7, 2015 at 2:11 pm

      And that Uranus transit to my 2nd house? Actually having the guts to cough up the dough for a verrrry rebellious purchase, knowing it ain’t gonna make me insolvent.

      • Reply Emma December 7, 2015 at 8:24 pm

        My money philosophy is “take care of the pennies and the pounds take care of themselves” or as the Scots say “Many a mickle makes a muckle”.

        Want to save money? Cut your expenditure to a minimum. Eat out of garbage bins/hunt local vermin for food–worked for my ancestors.

        Want to make more money? Solid investments.

        • Reply Mystic Medusa December 10, 2015 at 2:48 am

          Seriously? Have you seen that show Cheapskates? Roadkill Banquets and nettles?

      • Reply Mystic Medusa December 10, 2015 at 2:48 am

        What do you call a very rebellious purchase?

  • Reply Ashley December 7, 2015 at 2:47 pm

    Scorpio 2nd house with Saturn at 3 degrees conjoined with Pluto in Libra in the 1st house.

    I’m very private about my money. I recently got married and it’s the most open I’ve ever been about my finances. I even hate having the bank teller see my account details. I have a lot of shame around money. I didn’t grow up with wealth. I’m comfortable now but I’ve usually never been good at making a ton of money. I am good at saving and being frugal though. I even somewhat enjoy surviving off the bare minimum. I feel guilty having too much.

    • Reply Mystic Medusa December 10, 2015 at 2:50 am

      Wow that’s old school Saturn in 2nd. Pluto can give any placement extra psychological oomph though. JUPITER is going to come across your Saturn in Sept-Oct 2016 – that is totally THE time to schedule a re-set around this.

  • Reply Megan December 7, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    Appreciative of this hack, especially since the 2nd house has proved a bit elusive in my understanding of my natal chart. I think what initially threw me was reading various texts about a Venus placement in the 2nd house, and coming up with relatively materialistic and possessive descriptions, none of which really resonated with me.

    I have Cap on the cusp, although Venus enters late in the game in Aquarius (where I have a stellium in my 3rd House).

    Here’s what I’m grokking at this point: I grew up in a family where money was the source of constant stress, and my mother seemed to be more aware of status and the have-nots (she’s a Taurus) than any of us kids. If anything, I grew up caring about money only because I didn’t want to deal with the constant stress as I got older. I just wanted to be comfortable.

    With Jupiter on Saturn in my 10th, which are trining my Venus. I guess I have the marks of success, but it’s never been “easy” (no matter how it may look on the outside). I’ve been working since I was 14. I’ve made good money as an adult, but I’ve also taken on a lot of debt. Over the past year I amassed a large amount of debt due to serious health issues, began to pay it down, and it just jumped back up massively due to an unplanned move based on a health hazard identified in my home of six years (thanks Saturn and Chiron!) The irony is that I amassed all of this additional debt only after I had finally started to take paying off debt and saving money more seriously. So it’s an extra zinger right now.

    I can accept that I appreciate beauty and aesthetics in my life, whether it’s in my home, my car, or my closet. But I also love the environment, music, art, etc. I appreciate things that are pleasing to the eye, music to the ears, and calming for the soul, but could absolutely care less about a brand name. If it’s pretty and unique – great, but if it’s ugly, I could care less how much it cost you or what designer/artist/etc it’s from. This desire for an aesthetically pleasing home has become apparent with my recent move. My credit card is burning up, but once I’ve got everything in place like I want it, I feel like I can relax and go into pay off mode. (At least that is the plan.) I have Chrion transiting my moon in Pisces right now, so I am trying to at least make my home environment pleasing and calming, since everything else is in turmoil.

    So I guess the bottom line is that $$$ = freedom to me – freedom from stress, freedom of movement – which I think fits nicely with the Aquarius placement. I also like things that are unique and different (but in a tasteful way), also channeling Aquarius. My Venus has a few challenging squares to Pluto and Chiron which makes things tricky, and with the Pluto transit through Cap, I think the transformation of my self-worth has been the true theme for me.

    I know Saturn will be heading through my second house in a few years, so 2016 will be there year of paying down my debt so that Saturn can hopefully treat this 0 Degree Sag rising better than he has the last seven. Here’s to hoping!

  • Reply seawitchmermaid December 7, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    Saturn in Sag in the second. Trines Venus in Aries and Leo PoF. Square Jupiter. Oh, money. I was super responsible with money when I was a teenager, great saver, worked two jobs often (I should note also that I have a Taurus moon).

    Cut to late Pluto in Sag and I acrue too much student loan debt. Plus some extra credit card debt that was just… stupid. Such a reflection of the times. 😉 I became careless with money. Working three jobs, trying to pay all my bills, still going to school… I just don’t know.

    Then I started dating someone who was more like I was when I was younger, good with money. Good influence. Now we’re married.

    Cut to now- Still have the student loan debt, but it is managed. No more credit card debt. Studies in minimalism and financial independence for leisure. I feel like I’m returning to my root money sense. I work from home, am self-employed. Would like to expand. Also have long-term income goals that still feel far away but coming into focus.

    Saturn return time for me.

    • Reply seawitchmermaid December 7, 2015 at 4:01 pm

      It’s all a work in progress.

  • Reply Emma December 7, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    I’ve got a reasonably empty 2nd house. Starts at 19° Aqua. The descending node in Aqua then Pallas, Psyche and Venus in Pisces. Neptune is transiting the 2nd house and is basically in opposition to my 8th house Jupe. Chiron has just left the 2nd house.

    Natal Venus square the Moon and Neptune and oppose Marz and Jupes. Sextile Chiron.
    I don’t know how I feel about money. I’ve always had dreams of destroying it, eradicating it from the social weave, and redefining wealth and resource in terms of people. People are more plentiful than money, and without people money is worthless. People are the vehicle which money rides on.

    I’m a Utopian. We don’t need money to define worth. We need to redefine worth without money. Imagine if we worked – put our skills, time and effort into creating a world, instead of maintaining a facade, and destroying the world. Money can’t buy that.
    Everyone desrves to have the basics. The rest comes when everyone is allowed to contribute, without the bottom line or thirst for money overidding sensibilities.

    If I had unlimited money, I’d pour it into startups that worked toward destroying the facades. I’d support people to prove those aspects of science that many proport as being quackery. I’d build centres for real learning. I’d support people to build homes for those that have none. We’d give everyone water, food, clothing, shelter. Holistic education. Medicines that actually rebuild bodies into health, instead of the placation of bandaids. Support people to pursue their passions. When people do what they love, they want to do it. They desire to do it and income becomes a by-product. What if income wasn’t given in money – numbers in a spreadsheet. What if income was given as things.

    There’s plenty to read about resource based economies – but a lot of those great ideas are still missing key elements.

    Perhaps it’s a dream world. Either way, it’s beautiful.

    • Reply Meredith December 7, 2015 at 5:26 pm

      ^ All of this. If people are sustained, and have access to everything they need… they will inherently want to continue to do what it takes to *keep* this sustainability. The freedom it would give to put our time into education, higher knowledge, higher learning, using our current technology (Uranus in Scorpio conj Mercury) to do the mundane ‘everyday’ things that are no brainer’s, and allow us to actually use our brains – for growth and expansion – but in a structural way (my Jupiter conj Saturn in Libra conj my Ascendant)

      It would have to be (and should be) a global movement. Uber Zeitgeist.

      It would be nice to break free of the chains of money, but only if the world were ready for it. I think it will be one day, but not during my lifetime for sure.

      I like to think that just having the thought puts the possibility out there into the universe and can be manifested – maybe not here but in another galaxy in another world with other life 🙂

      • Reply Emma December 7, 2015 at 6:31 pm

        Thanks Mermade. Yes it should be a global movement. I think the next baby steps are for people to start seeing money as a form of energy. It is a quantum physics world afterall. Everything is energy. We attract and repel energy through our thoughts / actions.

        When we are in love with what we do – this type of money-energy is attracted to us. People invest in our love for what we do and the work we produce is of high quality, because we love it – it is imbued with our love. We may not end up with the million dollars in the bank, but we may end up with what we need. Some times more or less than other times.
        When we’re doing something we don’t love simply for money, attracting (earning) that money feels hard. Other things in ourselves or our lives begin to breakdown or suffer.

        When we attract this energy, we then need to decide how we invest this energy. Into ourselves and our pursuits. Into particular avenues like organic foods, local farmers, small businesses. Chemical free products. Stores that are not aligned with sweat shops. Perhaps we get solar for the house, or a rainwater tank and reticulation system. We start making choices with this energy.

        If only people could somehow come to this type of alignment, and then apply the thinking to the big picture. Where do the corporations and government invest ‘our’ invested energy. They only got their money-energy from us. We gave it over to them. and then we sit back and watch another oil spill. Another war. Another pharmaceutical that we didn’t know we were deficient in. How did we let our energy be invested into bailouts? How on earth did we collectively allow this to happen?
        How on earth are we not all flying around in Telsa vehicles, generating oxygen and purifying water in the process? Surely the ocean is so saturated with oil, we can start filtering it out and putting it to some form of use. Oxygen pollution too.

        Are the Millenials not investing in homes because they can’t afford them, or because they’ve learnt that home is wherever you hang your hat? Very Beat Generation.

        It’s a world that I want to change. and I believe very much in what you said in your last paragraph – that just having the thought puts the possibility out there and can be manifested. It is a quantum world afterall 🙂

  • Reply Pearl December 7, 2015 at 6:02 pm

    Oh I was waiting for this hack, thanks Mystic!

    I only have one planet in my 2nd house – Saturn in Virgo – but its effect have been potent!

    It squares my Moon in the 11th (gemini) and my Neptune in the 5th (pisces), opposes my Aries sun in the 8th, and trines my uranus in the 3rd (scorpio) and my venus in the 10th (taurus).

    My relationship with money up until recently was pretty messed up to be honest. I used to associate money with control (mainly due to the way I was raised – my parents were always generous with money but tried to control my life in return) and I always felt very awkward about asking for money from other people for my work – unless it was people I really trusted not to try and manipulate me in return. I did a lot of internships/volunteering when I was in my early 20’s for example mainly because it was the only way I felt free at work.

    I’m also super self critical so for the longest time I never really felt like my work was really ‘worthy of payment’ so to speak. I also used to think that since my work wasn’t really serving others/ the world in any big way it was kind of pointless…I guess that’s the Virgo in me, I also Jupiter in Virgo in my 1st house 😉

    The zap zone made me grow up a lot in that department and I feel like I’m FINALLY getting over all these crazy self-doubt and money issues. I just launched a party supplies business (definitely not saving the world but I’m ok with that now haha) and I’m feeling very positive about it.

    I’ve been trying to really work the saturn neptune square in the last couple of months by manifesting my dreams in a more practical manner and I’m hoping it will pay off in the next few years! 🙂

  • Reply Julie December 7, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    I’ve definitely got 2nd house issues. Capricorn on the cusp, which you would think would be a good thing, but I’ve been guilty of grokking a low-Cap vibe there, and have been known to have a gloomy outlook here. Trying to up it to a haute vibe with “Determination” becoming the new theme.

    Jupiter and Mars both in the 2nd house in my birth chart, Jupiter in Cap, Mars in Aquarius, I’ve discovered I’m FAR better at saving money when I earn less/money is almost all allotted to bills each paycheck, than when I have a disposable income. Jupiter in its quest for more more more ensures it’s disposed of easily and quickly, and my god, sometimes squandered on such stupid things. When extra money is limited it stacks up almost effortlessly. Definitely got some prosperity/consumption issues, kinda feels like the wires are crossed.

    Not always sure how to interpret (aqua) Mars here, it’s also squared with Pluto in the 11th house.

    Despite said issues, I still consider myself pretty lucky in the financial realm. One of the benefits of finishing my Saturn return & earning varying paychecks throughout my twenties, is I know am anxious about money – in my ability to provide for myself or needing it for a crisis/unexpected event. This isn’t given indication by a large amount in my bank account or income, but somewhere more on an instinctual level. But I still can be gloomy, self esteem issues comparing myself to others my age who are doing very well for themselves, esp not having hit financial “benchmarks” like buying a house or having money saved for retirement. I need 2nd house boot camp!!

    • Reply Julie December 7, 2015 at 6:19 pm

      whoops, key typo – meant to say in the last paragraph “is I am NOT anxious about money”

    • Reply Pearl December 7, 2015 at 7:55 pm

      A 2nd house boot camp would be amazing! I’d love for MM to do one xx Actually a boot camp for each house would make for an awesome pay-what-you-want series perhaps?

      • Reply Julie December 8, 2015 at 6:57 pm

        I love your thinking/vision! And at least then I would know my money would be well spent! 🙂

  • Reply Fauness December 7, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    Moon conjunct Neptune in Sagg. Eros there too. Moon Nep sextile Pluto (11th) and trine MC. Both also trine my NN (libra, 12th).

    So, basically a weird relationship with money, it fluctuates. I am pretty good with it but then sometimes I make a mistake or loose sight of reality (haha). It’s really hard sometimes because I am married to another 2nd house moon but his is in libra and conjunct his pluto and mercury. We both have really good taste but we also can use money to feel better. True story: the first time we hosted Thanksgiving, we went to a small local furniture store and left with the nicest table they had. Handmade with hickory wood, claw feet, and 6 leaf inserts. It opens by just pulling on it. There is no way we were going to settle for something less. So it’s this balance of wanting to have money in the bank and wanting nice things without having tons of money to pay for it. So it’s a combination of save, spend, DIY, oooh I want this, and “don’t spend any money this week!” It is a bit tiring. No, actually a lot tiring. Especially since I am the one that does the books.

    Background: My parents grew up in a coal mining town and they were the first generation to go to college (both have masters degrees). They are total badass with money but too frugal for my tastes. My neptune made me feel this and I felt bad asking them for anything. My brother not so much and he asked them for money all the time and designer clothes and whatnot. I’ve tried to follow their lead without denying myself SOME of the things I want.

    Currently I have Saturn a few degrees shy of my moon. A few weird money things have come up like a tax paper from 2014 coming out of nowhere. Hopefully it won’t be worse than that. Neptune is in my 4th house and I’m trying to remedy the things I want done to the house without breaking the bank. But that’s really always. I feel this transit more about finding what is valuable to me and truly listening to myself. Neptune on your moon is a doozy, people. As in I’m pretty sure I have been submerged most of my life and I am just recently making my entrance into the world. I have been sewing for a few months and it makes me feel very Taurean (2nd house moon for the newer friends). Perhaps I may get to the point I can make a living from it? I’m really craving more art and creativity in my life, especially in my career.

    I already had Pluto through the second, right after I finished college. i wanted to let go and be free in the world but it made me feel so off and unstable. I couldn’t handle it. Made me rethink my free spirit desires for those not as fun but more stable Saturn ones.

    Oh and fun fact, I have venus conjunct Jupiter in the 8th which is supposed to be bad for spending and debt but I keep a pretty good grip on it. At least my Saggy 2nd house knows how to do it – travel, books, learning new stuff, good food, quality. Part of the secret is finding out how to do it all while having a nice home and a money stash. For example, buy your food from a farmer. As in directly.

    • Reply Fauness December 7, 2015 at 8:43 pm

      Eeek holy crap I didn’t realize I wrote that much! Sorry!

      • Reply Isis December 7, 2015 at 9:18 pm

        I think we all did. The 2nd House likes a proper account of things. 😉

        Moon/Nep sextile Pluto & trine MC is v. powerful.
        Does it feed into your employment sitch?

        • Reply Fauness December 8, 2015 at 3:47 am

          Yeah I does sound powerful, doesn’t it? I always have to be working and take my jobs pretty seriously. My first job was a shampoo girl and the owner loved the way I dressed because I wore fun outfits in black and white, which where the salon’s colors. I guess I am able to juggle all the things I described but the hard part is sharing a bank account with my Pluto moon husband. I can save like a mofo when I am flying solo.

          I’m hoping that at some point I can make a living doing something more creative. Teaching is ok but not so creative. Stable though, yes.

          • Isis December 8, 2015 at 7:05 pm

            I know some teachers with extraordinary MC action. It seems to attract very professional people astrologically. And so it should! One of the most important professions.

            Saving isn’t a great point of mine. I wonder how much is my attention deficit issues. I am much more in control and aware now of how that has affected my thinking process.
            But I definitely eat better without a family around to accommodate. Surely the 2nd House has something to do with food? I stock a mean fridge.

          • Fauness December 8, 2015 at 7:22 pm

            Second house is Taurus land! So yes, food would make sense there. Possessions too.

            Teaching would be better if teachers ran the show instead of those other guys. I wish I could find a job at a more independent style school, but there isn’t much around me because the immediate area has good public schools. Which of course I don’t work in. And I’m not driving an hour or leaving my family for training in a different style. So, here I am.

          • Fauness December 8, 2015 at 7:24 pm

            Oh and I meant to tell you that I loved your gum tree comment the other day. I’ve been feeling that my woods are a little less inviting lately, perhaps they are upset about something.

          • Kellie December 9, 2015 at 1:14 am

            The best advice my mother ever gave me was ‘have your own money’. I feel this urge to share it with women everywhere.

  • Reply Rosa December 7, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    Aries is in my second house – guess I’m all about making money in an efficient and dynamic way… but also has me being a spend thrift and impulsive buyer!

    Currently Uranus is transitting my 2nd house in Aries.. . could this mean that I am finding a new way to handle money? I’m turning things on their head/revolutionising my financial life? -If that is the case… well I’ve recently popped my online shopping cherry.. bought 4 dresses (NEVER done this before online). And I just want to shop… all the time.. it’s hard keeping me out of shops at the moment. . does this have something to do with this transit.. because jeeesus it’s breaking the bank..

  • Reply Margot December 8, 2015 at 7:19 pm

    I have Saturn and the Moon in the second house (Aqua). I’ve worked hard always but live frugally as I often run out of cash. I do put money into housing (my way of saving). In the past few years I have become friends with a number of delightful people who are rich as stink. They don’t boast about what they have, but they have a hell of a lot of money. I never want anything from them, except their divine company. They tell me they enjoy mine. I’ve just abandoned my long-time career to live as an artist. It’s scary but I haven’t felt this alive in decades. I’m telling myself every day that I deserve to have more money (without being greedy).

  • Reply Rebecca December 8, 2015 at 9:38 pm

    I have the moon in the second in Capricorn. My moon squares pluto and Jupiter. I’m thinking I should track my money a bit more and look at where and what I’m spending. I don’t like feeling trapped by money so I usually have a good idea in my head what I have but I don’t actively check this.

  • Reply JodiCleghorn December 8, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    I have nothing in my Taurus second house (haven’t dug down for asteroids). I’m ambivalent about money. If we have it I am happy to spend it – never on anything I would consider a luxury. Just as happy not to spend it.

    Have been dirt poor and learned to live with it. It was never a motivator to change jobs etc. I’ve worked because I enjoyed the job or I was making a difference. Always lived pay check to pay check. Money/assets/belongings are never incentives.

    I haven’t had an income now for almost 12 years – since my son was born – and it doesn’t bother me. I feel as though it should, but it doesn’t.

    Maybe this will change when Uranus leaves my 1st house and goes into the second?

    • Reply JodiCleghorn December 9, 2015 at 4:47 pm

      And just also noticed – my eighth house is also empty.

  • Reply Keith December 9, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    I cant recommend “Pluto” by Green enough. My 2H Virgo sections were mind blowing on the subject. His dissertations have echoed what MM n KF say.
    Page 61 was a harder hit than anything Dave Warner could conjure. Accuracy on steroids; everything from money issues to masturbation. Pull the other one. Hahaha

  • Reply tanya December 9, 2015 at 9:11 pm

    I have moon in Leo in the second house, definitely have emotions tied to money and must have my ‘own’. Hate owing people money and grew up with parents that would argue over $1
    Its opposite my mercury in Aqua (8th house) so not sure if that kinda helps me detach a bit…

  • Reply Maree December 9, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    My 2H is pretty busy with Sun conjunct Pluto in Virgo and Uranus in Libra (just out of range of conjuncting with Pluto), and it is currently being transited by Jupiter and NN (both just starting near Sun) and Lilith and Mars (both about to depart). Sun is also conjunct Mercury in Virgo (1H). Most of the aspects are blue, although there are a few red ones to Uranus. I haven’t delved into what these mean yet. Ditto NN and Lilith.

    The Cher quote really struck a chord with me as the memory of financial struggles from my childhood have never really left – along with some of the shame I felt then. Even when I’ve been in a more secure place, there has been an unconscious expectation that security would be taken away. When I was younger, I spent money almost as soon as I got it and lived pay check to pay check. It was like I had to that before it was taken away. I’ve also tended to surround myself with tangible possessions to represent security which is driven by 2H placements. There’s also been a thread of not feeling deserving of wealth/success, which I’m working on at the moment.

    With Sun and Pluto in 2H Virgo, I’ve always been extremely independent financially and long-term financial security is a major priority. I have always worked hard to provide this and my Virgo traits have been really useful in supporting this. Recently, there has been uncertainty around $ for reasons largely out of my control, and I have become a lot more conscious of the value of money, and also how money relates to self-worth and security for me. I have been challenging some of this thinking over recent months, and being more discerning about how and where I spend. I’ve also been challenging the idea of what freedom really means for me and feeling weighed down/constrained by physical belongings – which fits with what I’ve read about 2H Pluto and Uranus.

    Jupiter transiting 2H is perfect for where my life is currently at. I’ve been expanding my thinking/boundaries about my life and what’s possible, as well as making major changes re: things I’ve held onto for security but may also be holding me back. I’m also working on some ventures which will hopefully bring new opportunities and additional sources of income and allow me to move away from traditional employment over time. Some of these relate to writing/communication and health, which fit with Mercury and my 6H. Mars transiting 2H has also supported putting energy into these ventures.

  • Reply Rosa-Lina December 10, 2015 at 8:26 am

    Second House is empty of planets. Scorp on the cusp. Nothing aspecting it either – well, actually Lillith-Jimmi H are in the 8th, so i guess there’s that. Money comes and money goes. But debt is something i don’t believe in – i’d rather do hard labour (and have done on numerous occasions) than be in debt. I make do when there’s no money around, and try and use it wisely when it is around. My Kataka Sun does like to feel secure, but am unwilling to be a slave to hoarding money. I’ve seen my parents do that – as they both had experienced hardship & poverty as kids (gift of war).
    I’ve been blessed that i’ve always managed to get what i’ve *needed* – tho not necessarily what i’ve *wanted* – in my more frivolous fantasies. Need and want – 2 very different concepts. And *choice*. It’s good to work out the difference early on in life, i think – it makes living in this material world less complicated – and quite frankly, more fun. I do need fun.
    Stripped down (is that Pluto speaking?) – in my ideal world, there would be no money – just simple bartering of services.

  • Reply Somnambulista December 14, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    I have an empty second house with Aquarius/Pisces cusp in there.
    I grew up poor and frequently close to homelessness. Had to live with my grandmother for a few years as neither parent could support us.
    I have a super complicated relationship with money. Student loans out the wazoo for a career field I can’t work in at the moment.
    I make great money on paper, but it basically finances those loan payments.
    I have occasionally occurred debt for travel assuming that while I’ll always have debt, I’ll also always have Paris.
    I haven’t been as far as Paris yet, but it was a good turn of phrase.
    My frosted side says “It’s only money” but my wholesome Virgo (moon) side freaks out about it late at night.

  • Reply Catherine February 1, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    Im slowly slowly catching up:
    My 2H is in Taurus, cusp of Gemini:
    ** taurus being sensation, gemini being communication

    Mercury is within:
    ** speaking abilities
    ** mentally stimulating
    ** logical, intelligent
    ** expressiveness
    ** entrepreneurial

    My 2H transits:
    So HOLY HECK they correspond to when i was contemplating leaving my last job, when i started study, when i got a job for the summer holidays,
    (which was jupiter moving through my second house)
    It’s no surprise that when I’m feeling more confident and more self-worth that my working relationship with myself improves!

    I’m not going to have any activity until 202 when uranus finally reaches my 2nd house but, i guess until them i will keep on keeping on

    Mystic Medusa 2016 horoscope says some pretty powerful things for me business wise this year, but i think that’s beyond my seeing abilities!

  • Reply Nicole November 28, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    How about Venus in the 2nd house? How about Venus in Pisces? I make money from my charm and good looks? LOL. I do like to spend money on nice stuff, but I make money running a natural health clinic. In my younger years, I made money from various jobs: waitress, stripper (moon in 8th house!)…

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