The Houses

Third House Vibe

My god, let’s talk about Third House Vibe.

Michael Crichton churned out 10,000 words a day – his official books became best-sellers and hit movies such as Jurassic Park, Disclosure, The Andromeda Strain etc. Not only that, they eerily seemed to align with the breaking issue of the day. They were Zeitgeist.  IN between times he did pulp like the book above.

“Everybody has to find their own way. This is a business that demands aggressiveness and individual get-up-and-go. So in the end you’ll have to do what I did, and everybody else you can think of did. Figure it out for yourself and make it happen.”

So you can see below how he has Mercury in the 3rd House and Neptune also.

The 3rd House is like Gemini. It is the communications sector. Mercury there means you transmit info – you may not want to go too deep and guess what?  Unless there is some massive 9th house (the opposite)  influence to offset, 3rd House people don’t give a damn about official information or the ‘normal way.”  Most of them hate even reading instructions to open a jam jar, let alone manage their career.

The classic Third House person starts talking/writing/scheming their way out of/into situations from approximately aged 7.

Michael Crichton

So a strong 3rd House could be one loaded with planets/Sun/Moon etc but Mercury counts more there. So Crichton had Mercury there AND Neptune plus both aligned favorably with Saturn and Uranus. So he made a shitload of money out of it and he was able to tap the Zeitgeist.

Stephen King – another awesomely successful mass market writer – Sun, Venus and Neptune in the 3rd House.

Gabriel Garcia Marquez – Mercury on Pluto and the North Node there.

Jane Austen Mercury in the third house opposite Uranus.

When it comes to the Third House People, the only thing limiting me listing 1000 genius peeps here is (1) my time and (2) that SO many amazing writers/thinkers/talkers don’t have their birth time on record.

When you see  third house emphasis, remember that this is a person who likes/needs to be CURRENT. They don’t usually care that much for vast tracts of academic information or received “wisdom” because they like to speed-boil the contempo situation or what presents into a perfect reduction of relevance.

Your “halfway through your sentence” is often the 3rd House persons version of “droning on too much”.

If they would rather run away and write down, blog or broadcast a hyped up version of the witticism you just spouted or some insight you evoked than bond with you, that’s how they roll.

So when it comes to YOU or other people, look to that 3rd House and see it as the realm of Thoth-Mercury-Hermes-Seshat.

Third house strong people value the wild idea, the sudden snippet of gossip or connection, synchronicity and conversations that operate on multiple levels.

They irritate people with more reverence for traditional education, those who find it bizarre to have a dream snippet or something the taxi driver said afforded the same intellectual gravity as the recent ‘findings from scientists’ and who do not like to have their private life turned into appetizing quotes for the media.

If you see Mercury in the 3rd house, Virgo/Gemini on the cusp there, outer planets like Neptune/Uranus/Pluto aligned to the personal planets OR the Sun/Moon, you’re looking at a 3rd House person.

Joan Rivers was classic 3rd House:

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She was not just insanely witty in public and private, she built a veritable empire out of her wits, surviving and thriving over a 55 year career.  This quote sums up the 3rd House Vibe brilliantly; According to Ralph Schoenstein, who dated her and worked with her on her humor books. He said, “She has no airs. She doesn’t stand on ceremony. The woman has absolutely no pretense. She’ll tell you everything immediately. Joan isn’t cool—she’s completely open. It’s all grist. It’s her old thing—’Can we talk?'”

So voila her chart:

Joan Rivers

If you want to get really fancy about it, notice the squares (red lines) from the 3rd House stuff in Gemini to the Neptune, Jupiter and Mars in Mercury-ruled Virgo AND the Work sector.  If you set out to create a creature of guts, controversial eloquence and enduring work ethic, you could not do better than this chart.

Third House dominant people may not cure world poverty or even be renowned for their enduring relationships but their ability to stay relevant, work their wits and generate wisdom that lives on beyond their life span is pretty much legend.

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  • Reply Somnambulista October 25, 2015 at 4:04 am

    My third house is Aries/Taurus cusp with Mercury and Chironin the Aries suction and my Sun on the Taurus side of the cusp there. Does this make me a third house person?

  • Reply Keith October 25, 2015 at 4:41 am

    My former wife had 3H, Leo ruled, starting with a Merc Uran conjunct (not obvious) followed by the Sun in the very last minutes of Leo, an intercepted conjunction with her Virgo Moon, followed by an even spacing to her Pluto, NN & Venus; 7 placements all in the 3H. Her Venus, Pluto n NN squared by her Gem Asc Mars conjunct.

    For all the that, the thing that stands out, to all who have met her, is her Sun/Moon conjunct. Her family life was idyllic life; she came from the “Shire”; no not LOTR. Controversy was not known in her presence. Her communications were clarion.

  • Reply Sarah October 25, 2015 at 4:58 am

    Great hack, Mystic.
    I have Mercury in 3rd Leo but intercepted, square Saturn and Pluto and trine Uranus. I have a terrible time writing academic papers! I used to write in my teens, several journals, dark, depressing stuff. I don’t write anymore. I think I have lost my voice and prose.

    • Reply Kellie October 26, 2015 at 4:20 am

      Everyone wrote dark depressing stuff in their teens – I know I did. Are you sure you’ve lost your voice? Maybe you are still to find it.

  • Reply Amy October 25, 2015 at 5:26 am

    I enjoyed this hack, but it made me a little sad too. I have nothing in my third house and my third house is ruled half by Aquarius and half by Pisces. I’ve always wanted to be a writer, but I’ve only written one very crappy novel in 2011. My life is busy with other priorities – teaching 8th grade ELA and raising two fun, rambunctious boys. So in my free time, I would rather read than write. My goal was to read 100 books in 2015 and I am already up to book 87! Hopefully I can override my chart someday and get my butt into the chair and write!

    • Reply Tall_Jan October 25, 2015 at 9:56 pm

      “…but I’ve only written one very crappy novel in 2011”

      Honey that’s better than millions and squillions of people do. I can’t even get a paragraph locked down and I am, by the above definitions, a 3rd house person.

      Don’t be sad 🙂 Better one crappy novel than nothing at all! Honestly!

      • Reply scorpio_rising October 28, 2015 at 8:09 am

        no kidding. That’s quite the accomplishment!
        I also have an empty 3rd House and it’s shared with Capricorn/Aqua vibes.
        I am also an avid reader and I am not going to let my empty house stop me.
        I make a living in communications on social media and song lyricist. I am currently working on a novel.
        Good luck!! I will cheer you on.

    • Reply Kellie October 26, 2015 at 4:24 am

      Yes, and all writers need to read. Life isn’t over yet! I’m sure by the time you find the time you’ll have something to write about.

  • Reply scorpiodawn October 25, 2015 at 6:12 am

    mars in cancer in the third???

  • Reply scorpiodawn October 25, 2015 at 6:15 am

    I do have Gemini on the third hse cusp aswell. and Gemini was my repeated sign in the interception hack ( 2nd and 3rd hse ) which I have yet to grok…

  • Reply Isis October 25, 2015 at 6:23 am

    That is scarily accurate astrology!!

    I have Regulus 29 Leo conjunct
    Mars 0 Virgo in the 3rd.

    Any ideas for how that might look?

    • Reply ICPluto October 25, 2015 at 8:13 am

      “how that might look?” Regal 🙂 Seriously, now that Regulus moved into Virgo, I think it would give your Mars more potency than ever. A Goddess/Gaia cause that needs to be broadcasted. A grassroots movement- ideas that germinate locally in opposition to the wider setting of the 9th house. With Virgo Mars there is this mental dexterity that allows you to go beyond your limitations.

      • Reply Isis October 26, 2015 at 5:42 am

        My goodness!! That is more true than you can know!! ICP Do we know you here by another “nomme de clavier” in the past? So good. And MM’s horoscopes for Gemini (my Asc & my partner’s stellium) combined with this make a lot of sense.
        We are on the cusp of big changes.

        • Reply ICPluto October 26, 2015 at 6:17 am

          Sphinx, I was just reading the Daily Mystic for Tuesday and it was spot on. She was talking about gut health, and I just thought how Mars in Virgo has to be healthy gut instinct to the max.

          Regulus is in Virgo, Jupiter is in Virgo, and soon the NN will shift to this sign. With Saturn in Sag square Virgo I fear that, even though the truth wants to come out (dissipate Neptune dissimulation), this could also manifest as an astro gag order!

          • Isis October 27, 2015 at 10:30 pm

            Saturn Sag = Virgo Gag!
            They are starting full monitoring of the interwebz in Australia soon. Complete vocal gagging ability.

  • Reply Devi October 25, 2015 at 6:34 am

    3rd house! I’ve got Uranus in Sag conjunct my South Node, and Neptune conjunct Jupiter in Cap. It’s my most loaded house, but no personal planets, and not much aspecting these signs. I’ve got Mercury in Aqua in the 4th house. Uranus/SN/Neptune/Jupiter in the 3rd makes me think depth, expansion, erratic and provocative, unpredictable, fleeting, hard to pin down or grasp fully, and somehow deeply familiar for me.

    It’s interesting for me, because I actually do very much value traditional higher education (maybe it’s the NN in the 9th?), but I LOVE writing. And word games. And punning across languages. And coming up with sentences that have maybe five possible interpretations, and playing with and between all of those understandings.

    I really do think, though, that you learn much more about human nature and life from a snippet of a conversation, or from a taxi driver, or some moment of synchronicity, than from “scientists said.” My work revolves around writing, but academic writing, in which I try to discover and share historical moments equivalent to what the taxi driver just said.

    On another note, seeing all these charts of brilliant and successful people with t-squares was kind of consoling, particularly Joan Rivers’, which also involves Sun-Moon-Mars. Got to figure out how to make this work for me!

    • Reply Fauness October 25, 2015 at 6:48 am

      Absolutely! I think people get so hung up on degrees and education based learning that they dismiss what is learned intuitively or through experience. Must be that 3rd house/9th house opposition.

      Just last night I was talking to a friend of mine about her Uncle, who is an amazing energy worker and he just does it intuitively. He’s never had any training but has incredible life experiences – like walking across the entire country.

      • Reply ICPluto October 25, 2015 at 7:11 am

        I agree wholeheartedly with what you´ve both said. I really dislike the ivory tower attitude some people have- it puts me off. Although I value the formal education I had (9th house NN), my interests go beyond of what I can get from academia. As I´ve never liked to be pigeonholed as the bookish, intellectual type, I am not fond of being dismissed as the shallow, trendy person either. Life is organic, the world is vast, and I am curious.

        • Reply Devi October 25, 2015 at 6:36 pm

          “Life is organic, the world is vast, and I am curious.”- love that! Imagine life without curiosity?!

          • scorpio_rising October 28, 2015 at 8:11 am

            yes, excellent

          • Flashfire October 29, 2015 at 7:36 am

            wow, me too. LOVE that! Am sticking quote to my inspiration board right now!

  • Reply Fauness October 25, 2015 at 6:43 am

    Third house Capricorn, no planets. Opposite ninth house sun in Leo. Always seemed to have trouble expressing myself although I always loved reading and writing. Pluto is going through my third and I am finding new ways to express myself.

    On a side note, I’m getting good at chart interpretation! I looked at my friend’s husband’s chart last night and the way I approached it and interpreted it was completely different than I used to do it. She found what I had to say accurate and useful. I am learning this language and I’m excited to learn more! Thank you, Mystic. xx

    • Reply ICPluto October 25, 2015 at 7:40 am

      Re. the chart interpretation, isn´t it such a 3rd house transit example? Learning new language (3rd house) with structure, accuracy (Cap), related to figuring out “metaphysical puzzles” (Pluto) 🙂

      • Reply Fauness October 25, 2015 at 8:04 am

        It is! I should milk this Pluto transit for every drop it has to give. And speaking of transits, this Saturn and Neptune stuff is also going to be joined (following, maybe) with the Mars in my first and second. I’m so intrigued by what’s in store. Not that I’m waiting to find out, I like taking the reins when I can.

        • Reply ICPluto October 25, 2015 at 8:39 am

          Well, Pluto rules drilling, mining, extraction of resources; so milking this transit to its last drop makes sense!

          You´re right, you´re going to have Mars joining the party of Saturn-Neptune. 1st house transit is good, it gives a lot of energy, you´ll notice the shift once crosses your AC. However, arguments galore!

          I was thinking yesterday, that it is going to be a very “interesting” Thanksgiving for us here in the US with this Saturn opposite Neptune business, don´t you agree? mwhahaha (manic laughter).

          As far as I remember, you´re going to have Saturn opposite your natal Mars in Gemini as well, is that correct? And Saturn is beefed up with that trine to his natal position. As long as frustration doesn´t get the better of you… But taking into consideration that oppositions usually manifest as outside events, people confronting you and being aggressive, I´d say try not to react. Action is better than reaction!

          Is Mars going to touch your Neptune/Moon before he retrogrades?

          • Fauness October 25, 2015 at 9:18 am

            You’re so insightful and in tune, I want to be like you when I grow up!

            Looks like Mars is retro at 8 Sag, and my moon is 12 Sag, so just a few degrees shy. My husband and I had our biggest argument ever last week and the whole scene was scary. Things are looking up now, but I need to keep that Mars business in mind. Also have a nemesis at work – that might be another potential area to watch out for. She’s fit to be tied right now because she left a bunch of stuff in her old classroom and she’s mad because it’s gone now. She’s the type who takes out her anger on others.

            Eek! Well, now would be a good time to look into energy focusing and releasing exercises.

            The day after Thanksgiving is when we have our annual big bonfire. We boycott shopping and then burn stuff. Wanna come? We’re a few hours south of nyc.

          • ICPluto October 25, 2015 at 10:02 am

            I´m going through a Peter Pan phase, also known as a Uranus transit lol By the way, what is the feminine equivalent of the Peter Pan syndrome?!

            When Mars and Saturn get involved in challenging aspects I usually experience a clash with authority. Mars sees Saturn as [email protected] blocking everything he wants to try. In these transits sometimes we play Mars, other times we play Saturn.

            Isn´t your Saturn in the 10th house? When I look at transits, I try to observe the following rules: look at the house where the transiting planet is natally placed; the house it natally rules; the house of natural rulership (in this case, Saturn- 10th house). Most often than not, there are some activities happening in these houses as well. Especially with Saturn transits, that take ages to develop (Saturn rules time!), if you carefully observe his transits, you can see the chain of development through all of these houses. These transits are never concentrated, it is a structural change.

            I love your “Bonfire of the Futilities”. I am in Bahston, and I may drop by to throw some things in that fire 🙂 If Neptune wins the battle, on Thanksgiving I will see lots of people intoxicated by “the blue devil hoochie juice”, spending resources they don´t have, buying into illusions, making promises that can´t be cashed in later.

          • Fauness October 25, 2015 at 6:40 pm

            Maybe Holly Golightly? Stage Peter Pan was usually played by a woman, so I think that would work too.
            After a comment of yours, I assumed you lived in nyc. Close guess. Nearest city to me is Philly. I like the stimulation of a city but can’t deal with nonstop noise and crowds.

          • ICPluto October 26, 2015 at 4:54 am

            I like the Holly Golightly idea. Although, I´d think of her more as a Neptune transit 🙂

            I lived in NYC for 7 years. Not very keen on small cities. I guess I believe that the “best place to hide is amongst the crowd”! hahaha

          • ICPluto October 26, 2015 at 6:08 am

            I have to say that I love the wilderness. What I don´t like is the parochial, homogenized small towns. Suburbs make me claustrophobic!

          • Fauness October 26, 2015 at 7:59 am

            I live in an area considered to be “semi-rural”. I’ve met really cool people and I like it. It doesn’t have a small town feel, it still is too populated in the surrounding areas for that. Also people around here are well traveled due to our location on the coast.

          • ICPluto October 26, 2015 at 9:13 am

            It´s interesting, because 3rd house rules our environment, our neighborhood. So, there must be an explanation for the choices we make of where we live.

          • Keith October 26, 2015 at 12:18 pm

            So how does my NN 3H Libra, like me, get to be wprking in remote areas. I think its more an act of Pluto or Saturn.

          • ICPluto October 26, 2015 at 12:30 pm

            PF, perhaps you have a “skipped step”? Any squares to your nodes? In any case, I assume you´re trying to remedy this social isolation, right?

          • Keith October 26, 2015 at 4:48 pm

            My NN is 6d Libra. It squares my Kat Asc at 8.53′ and my Saturn in Cap at 2d. So I spose that is another T-Square.? T squares are shite I think and major things to overcome.I have oeredered 5 books.Yes. I have 2 weeks off, in 2 weeks, and finiosh here in 6/7 weeks

          • Keith October 26, 2015 at 4:49 pm

            Vertical typing is fun

    • Reply scorpio_rising October 28, 2015 at 8:19 am

      I also have an empty 3rd House with Capricorn/Aqua with 9th House in Leo opposite.
      I work in communications for a living. Also drilling/milking Pluto for new ways to communicate.
      Have you found this Pluto transit to be helpful?

  • Reply jojobe October 25, 2015 at 7:13 am

    I 1000% resonate with this.

    I only have Jupiter in the 3rd house BUT it is trine Venus-Moon in Gemini. I am very ADD.

  • Reply ICPluto October 25, 2015 at 7:27 am

    My 3rd house is Leo (Sun) ruled, but it is mostly Virgo. I have SN, PoF and Anti-Vertex there. My 11th house stellium (Saturn, Mercury, Venus) makes a lovely trine to this house, so I feel like there is this natural flow and mutual support between these houses.

    Jupiter is currently transinting my 3rd house, and I am really feeling this itch for new ideas, new connections. Last time Jupiter was in this house, I had a fantastic experience with a new group of people, and it was the second time I got published- curiously, I had the same experience when Jupiter was transiting the opposite house (9th).

    • Reply Fauness October 25, 2015 at 7:42 am

      I have a 3rd degree 9th house Leo sun. We must be opposite twinsies or something, haha. Wish to share what you had published?

      • Reply ICPluto October 25, 2015 at 8:05 am

        Public interest clauses in anti-dumping law. I guess very Jupiter (Law, International) and Mercury (Trade) Twelve years have passed and now I am writing about mythology and (fictional) international conspiracies lol

        • Reply Fauness October 25, 2015 at 9:20 am

          Oh that sounds awesome. There’s an author with the same name as me but she writes romance novels. I get her emails sometimes because our addresses are one letter different.

          • ICPluto October 25, 2015 at 9:37 am

            electro, that misdirected e-correspondence is a great idea for a story 🙂

          • Alice B October 25, 2015 at 4:41 pm

            I would so read that story

          • JodiCleghorn October 25, 2015 at 7:51 pm

            And I’d publish it 🙂

          • ICPluto October 26, 2015 at 4:55 am

            New genre: PIAB lit 🙂

          • JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 3:56 pm

            I am going to have to out myself and say I dont know what the acronym is (I hate having to admit it – even after looking it up?)

          • ICPluto October 26, 2015 at 4:48 pm

            Pseudo Intellectual Astro-Bitch. It was supposed to be an insult coined by somebody annoyed with Mystic and Mystic’s subscribers. But everybody embraced it and it became a term of endearment. 🙂

  • Reply Nia October 25, 2015 at 8:06 am

    Like ICPluto my 3H is Leo ruled but mostly Virgo, and the only inhabitant is Moon at the very end conjunct SN, square Saturn and Uranus in 6H (Virgo ruled), and sextile Mercury-Venus-Pluto in 5H (Leo ruled), trine Neptune in 7H.

    I’ve been writing since I was a little kid. Love reading and languages, creating languages, creating worlds. I’ve always written just for myself and felt no need to share with others until recently—now I’m going to make it a career.

    Any thoughts on a Scribe Moon ? 🙂 I definitely feel it at work in the aspects.

    • Reply ICPluto October 25, 2015 at 8:47 am

      “Scribe Moon” .. I love it 🙂 Your stories will provide nourishment to others. However, be careful with what you absorb from your environment, because the Moon acts like a sponge! In Virgo, take care of your needs first, and then you can glow that bright light of yours! Jupiter transit is going to be fantastic for you to be “out there” and making your work known, don´t you agree?

      • Reply Nia October 25, 2015 at 9:03 am

        The sponge effect has been an ongoing lesson in boundaries but I’ve become and continue to be so much better at it. Oh and I meant to say Moon conjunct IC not SN! So I definitely benefit from a clean, healthy, organized home/brain/computer and regenerative routine.

        I’m very much looking forward to Jupiter! 🙂 He will be opposite my natal 11H Jupiter when conjunct my Sun in a year or two…I’m expecting a lot will come together.

  • Reply Bryce October 25, 2015 at 8:45 am

    3rd houser! I’ve my Cap moon in the beginning of my 3rd house. House is split between Cap + Aqua (is there a hack explaining how to think about this kind of split energy?), and I’ve always been a writer, and no matter how far I try to stray from it, it always snares me back in. HA. Opposite my Cap moon is my Leo Mars in the 9th, not sure how that vibes though. Maybe because of the Cap energy + the Mars energy in the 9th I HAVE been interested in, and done very well in traditional education. ???

    • Reply ICPluto October 25, 2015 at 9:05 am

      The 3rd house is ruled by Saturn, but the rest of the house being in Aqua gives you flexibility to adopt new ideas; you introduce new concepts, new ways of communication. So, if you enter your 3rd house in a structured way, as you move ahead you open yourself to new possibilities, leaving behind rigid useless mental heritage. The Cap Moon wants a stable emotional life, and it can be an asset to be able to stabilize your internal world and communicate in a coherent way- once again, as long as you don´t get caught in self-doubt and fear (Saturn). That opposition from your Leo Mars may give your Moon drive to push forward when she wants to hide for fear of being exposed.

      • Reply Bryce October 25, 2015 at 9:11 am

        @ICPluto UGH you are so great at this! Thank you! And yes, maybe the Aqua bits are about publishing online/new mediums (that’s my realm), also about creating content w/out words — i.e. imagery, which is where my heart really lights up. And yes, my emotions are both intense + practical (haha Scorp + Cap). That’s a nice way to think about Mars/Moon — because yes, I employ courage ALOT to communicate, and am generally rewarded when I do so.

        • Reply ICPluto October 25, 2015 at 9:34 am

          adventuregirl, imagery sounds really awesome. I went through a long period where I felt repulsed by words, literally a body reaction! Imagery healed me in so many ways! So, I really appreciate people creating content that can open other doors of/for communication.

          Moon opposite Mars can also account also for intensity of emotions. And i know you´re super Scorp, so Mars really talks to you internally!

        • Reply Fauness October 25, 2015 at 9:50 am

          I have this too. Only about 12 degrees of Aqua in my 3rd, but it is on my IC. I think it’s very true what you said about entering into it in a structured way and then being open to creative possibilities. I think this also supports my strong Saturn and Neptune placements.

      • Reply scorpio_rising October 28, 2015 at 8:33 am

        thanks for the info…very insightful thank you!

  • Reply funickity October 25, 2015 at 10:02 am

    I have Jupiter alone in Gemini in the 3rd trine Mars and sextile Sun.
    Most of my 3rd house is in Cancer apart from the part where Jupiter sits.

    I have issues with writing, loved writing stories as a kid, but hit some obstacles in high school. The way I had to write a whole story from whoah to go in 40 minutes killed it for me. I was sitting there for most of the period thinking about what I would like to write!
    I do like to take my time, and a lot of my ideas seem to emerge in a particular atmosphere, somewhere very quiet and private. I’m more of a reader than a writer, but I was a huge letter writer (in the days when people wrote letters) and I do the obsessive journal thing as well as a daily habit of writing morning pages. I write several pages of flow of consciousness type rave until I get to some resolution. I then transcribe any bits which seem vital or useful to my practice (visual artist) then I burn the pages. I love this process and can’t imagine life without it!

    • Reply Sue October 25, 2015 at 2:36 pm

      I have Jupiter in Gemini too.. but is the 2nd house.

      Perhaps it was his expansive nature resisting restriction to 40 minutes.. I mean it’s hardly enough time to explore adequately is it!

      I like the download, sift and dispose process you have.

  • Reply Parisa October 25, 2015 at 10:12 am

    3rd house Scorpio, with Saturn in Scorp and Uranus in Sagg there.

    Uranus is in opposition to my Sun-Merc conjunct in Gemini in the 10th.

    I LOVE TO WRITE! I’m even taking part in a short story competition this weekend.

    Saturn does show itself though in my want to express something ‘important’ or ‘relevant’ or ‘helpful’. And I can self-critic myself into not writing too easily.

    I think if I could get past Saturn though and plug into uranus, there is inspiration and innovation to be mined there. An inventive outlook.

    And as the 3rd rules short journeys too, I love a spin in the car and a walk to get to creative/communicative juices flowing.

    • Reply Sue October 25, 2015 at 2:33 pm

      Yes.. good point! I love a road trip myself.

      It’s also the house where we learn or adopt new ways of communicating (say tech.. or languages as examples) and siblings and local neighbourhoods amongst other things.

      In mythology.. Uranus was the father of Saturn and Saturn castrated Uranus.. so there’s perhaps an interesting angle to look at those two in that house? Castrating could be viewed as limiting or restricting or removing (re)productive and/or creative thoughts.. well maybe not absolutely right but if you play around with the myth 🙂

      • Reply Parisa February 24, 2016 at 2:49 pm

        Wow Centaurus…I’m so sorry I never replied to this incredible comment! My apologies and THANK YOU for some crazy cool insight here!

        I’ve never heard that myth before but seriously could it resonate more, lol! Saturn limiting my Uranus…you hit the nail on the head.

        Now how do I get Saturn to loosen it’s death drip on Uranus’ balls? Hmmm…I need to give it a different project to work on or hack Uranus via my Sun opposite, bypassing Saturn.

        Talk about getting the wheels turning…such an interesting way to think about this 🙂

  • Reply inanna October 25, 2015 at 10:23 am

    I love the witty 3rd house people, although sometimes a lack of depth/deep thinking can get on my nerves. My 3rd house cusp is Leo, with Ceres at 22 degrees, and Virgo in 3rd as well. I’m a writer, but my Virgo planets are in 4th house next to the IC.

    Depending on my BF’s exact birth time, he may have a 3rd house stellium in Pisces. Which would make perfect sense — he’s a musician and songwriter, a brilliant lyricist, and very witty. 🙂

    Love that sun in Gemini/moon in Sag 3rd and 9th house combo for Joan Rivers. Witty and honest as f***.

  • Reply seawitchmermaid October 25, 2015 at 10:57 am

    This is about to be a very 3rd house comment…

    I have Mars/Uranus conjunct in the 3rd in Sag, and Neptune in Cap in the 3rd as well. Mars/Uranus square my Sun/Mercury in the 6th. I’m just a super busy person, lots of interests/avenues I’m exploring, lots of things going on at the same time. Forever student sort of a vibe, after I finished my undergrad in Psych I got excited thinking that then I could study whatever I wanted, which ended up being Astrology and I’m still going strong. Astro satisfies the third house/Uranus especially as there is just always more to learn, always another facet to explore. Just more information to forever take in.

    I love writing, journaling, I can’t write fast enough to keep up with my insane brain. I couldn’t imagine writing an actual book although I have ideas for them. I like drawing and art and tarot/oracle cards. Outer space. Journeying and exploring the metaphysical. Crystals. Witchcraft. I blog. I love to act. I hate not feeling productive. I am prone to major anxiety and OCD which is why I mediate, do the binaurals, consciously remind myself to slow the F down.

    I’m a Pisces though, this is all in my head, I have a rich inner world so people always think I am very mellow and calm. Which I can be, with the Toro moon too, but default is buzzing around.

  • Reply [email protected] October 25, 2015 at 11:02 am

    I have south node in 3rd house gemini. Not at all prolific with words or writinh. Maybe I was in my past life.

  • Reply Simone October 25, 2015 at 11:49 am

    Saturn 3rd House Gemini, Opp Neptune Sag.
    Serious business of dream,clouds,ocean, myth, legend talk.
    Awful akward and uncomfortable talking for talking matter, i can appear stand off ish to as i cant do the small talk..Truly the gag reflex goes in the back of my throat.
    Talk must mean something, must feel something….
    Love this post, BaristaGem just bought up last week ..on Fleek BG !!

  • Reply Isle of Isa October 25, 2015 at 11:53 am

    My third house is Virgo with Mercury conjunct Venus in Virgo… also boosted by my Gemini ascendant 🙂

  • Reply Keith October 25, 2015 at 12:36 pm

    My NN is only thing in 3H in Libra. I feel the 3H placement WAY more than it being in Libra. My SN is very strong; it is at the top of my chart. But l feel the 3H placement. I got SN in a (minor; l call it that) grand trine with Aqua Moon and Abuntia in Gem; lm spose to channel it as a writer. I am trying to get out of rut which l think is Nep opp my Virgo cluster.

    I have a degree but l dont believe all the bs about ppl with degrees. Other day we were in a staff mtg discussing how to improve our assessment tasks. There was all these descriptors ‘benchmarking’ (fr Educationese; an esoteric language spoken by wankers) & l said’ “l dont know what all these sentences mean”. I was with my Head Teacher and Deputy. My Deputy said, “Howd you get thru uni?”. “On a push bike!”.

    I hate formal learning. Degrees only allow your stupidity to go further. If you are a florist or a panel beater your stupidity can only go so far. But if you are a lawyer, town planner, a doctor, or heaven forbid, a teacher you can ruin many, many ppl’s lives. I value my trade certificate ABOVE my teaching degree.

    Anyway, its all coming out in my book….

    • Reply Fauness October 25, 2015 at 1:35 pm

      How to improve assessment tasks… stick some pencils in my eyeballs, please.

      • Reply scorpio_rising October 28, 2015 at 8:46 am

        endless meetings about meetings…I do not miss working in corporate offices.

  • Reply Austinite October 25, 2015 at 12:59 pm

    These hacks and your posts in general brighten my day so much! Thanks, Mystic

  • Reply Keith October 25, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    Correction* my NN *not SN* in minor grand trine

  • Reply Sagitta October 25, 2015 at 8:24 pm

    My 3rd house is a hideous, vile, sucky swamp:

    #1: Saturn and moon conjunct in Aquarius 3H
    #2: Opposed by Mars
    #3: Squared by Sun and Neptune
    #4: Squared by Jupiter

    It’s a wonder I can talk/write. I should be going “Ugh Ugh” and bonking rocks off people’s heads.

    • Reply Sagitta October 25, 2015 at 8:31 pm

      Oh, forgot to mention:

      #5: Square the AC
      #6: ANNNNNND ….. Square Mercury!!!

      • Reply lilopinpin October 26, 2015 at 1:14 pm

        Damn.. lol tell us about it? or u cant :p

        • Reply Sagitta October 26, 2015 at 6:45 pm

          Ugh ugh . . .

          🙂 I was just waiting for someone to respond to me so I could do that!! 🙂 Thanks for playing, lilopinpin!

  • Reply Rosa October 25, 2015 at 1:43 pm

    Mar in Gemini, 3rd house here! I find that there seems to be a limitless amount of drive and energy for reading and writing – anything that involves the written word. I often hear people saying ‘that’s too long, cant be bothered to read it’ when the paragaph is something I find tiny in comparison to all the pages of things I tend to read.

    I identify with what you said about seeing people as droning on too much when they’re halway through their sentences – I have a habit of interrupting people, in trying to help them get the point across faster e.g ‘oh you mean like..’. Drives my 9th house heavy, Libran partner INSANE.

    I also have an emdless supply of sharp words – so arguments with me can imitate someone taking sharp little daggers (words) and stabbung at you relentlessly until you guve up. It’s pretty brutal..

    • Reply Sue October 25, 2015 at 2:08 pm

      My partner has Mars in Aqua/3rd and he loves reading.. SciFi as a fave but also lots of out there and left of field stuff and is in no way daunted by content or complexity.. rather he’s fired up, curious and enthused by the challenge.

      • Reply Rosa October 26, 2015 at 4:02 pm

        Nice! That Aquarian energy totally takes hold of things in the sci-fi/extra-terrestrial/phenomenon realm.

  • Reply Sue October 25, 2015 at 2:04 pm

    My 3rd is one third Cancer and 2 thirds Leo and both houses don’t have any activity.. progressions offered no clues either.

    So here’s the curiosity for me.. it being linked with communication, writing et al. I’ve always had gifts and skills there… since I was a child I loved words and stories. I always have people tell me I should write for a living and I have done here and there, or just write ‘stuff’ .. whatever version of stuff they considered their personal pinnacle and in line with their thinking. This has been in play since young.. from my favourite classes being all English and Lit. I have had diaries and journals my entire my entire life and written songs and poetry that has been awarded along the way and shredded bucket loads of stuff that upon a mere glance would deem no longer part of me or my energy, not worthy of review and requiring disposal.

    And I have ‘amazing’ handwriting.. well I personally like it.. I created it and refined it… but I’m sharing the most common word I’m given when people see it and then they tell me I should do something with that… like what exactly? Write more?:) Lol. I did do calligraphy for a little while but it was a Saggi experiment you understand.. ‘for a little while’ as opposed to committing to or long term artistry which has pretty much only stayed constant with music.

    Perhaps… in a long shot kind of way the handwriting is Leo. It definitely stands out from the pack pretty much all the time though that wasn’t intentional or the underlying driver, it was more a personal signature style I was after and linked to my enduring creative expression. And.. I write (and type) fast and when linked with a keyboard..think fast which is why I can write heaps in a comment etc in like.. a few minutes and I don’t stop to review often.. just hit post, which I think is Mercury Rx. Refer to exhibit A (this!)

    • Reply ICPluto October 25, 2015 at 4:40 pm

      I think calligraphy is so Kataka 3rd house 🙂 Do you have good memory?

      • Reply Sue October 26, 2015 at 1:23 pm

        I have intermittent or perhaps selective good memory. Absolutely for a number of things and not interested for others.. so it is down to the mental processing (which would be 3rd house as well) and discernment on what is worth retaining or not. Ironically.. as the opposite house ruler of Astro is Aqua.. I do not actually have the ideal memory retention for all the information I want stored and accessible yet but that may largely be due to getting the internal format right.

        What is it that feels Kataka about calligraphy to you? It’s probably too early here (quaffing coffee) but I’m not seeing it 🙂

        • Reply ICPluto October 26, 2015 at 1:35 pm

          I think calligraphy has an antique/vintage vibe that would go well with Kataka 3rd house. Perhaps it´s a bit of a stretch. 🙂

          • Sue October 26, 2015 at 1:44 pm

            No.. not at all. I like the link.. I just couldn’t grasp it. Definitely! 🙂

          • JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 4:06 pm

            Even though there is a rigor and a standard for calligraphy – I still think because it’s handwriting its a deeply personal form of expression.

    • Reply JodiCleghorn October 25, 2015 at 7:57 pm

      I’ve got Saturn in the tiny slice of Cancer that finished off my 3rd house – it’s the only planet in there. When people see me journaling in public and see my handwriting, they always comment on it – how neat it is. I always considered it a stylished kind of neat. And I have a penchant for handwriting I think it’s the most innate way in which we express ourselves. I’m always intrigued to see what someone’s handwriting looks like and these days there are fewer and fewer ways in which to see people’s handwriting.

      I love writing with a fountain pen and coloured inks… but crappy paper hampers that for journal writing.

      • Reply Sue October 26, 2015 at 1:31 pm

        I haven’t used a fountain pen in years but.. I always loved them and used them a lot. I might have to get myself another.. I do like a decent writing instrument though. Needs to feel right and the ink needs to flow just right and my current astro journal has multi coloured inks going on.

        Yes.. it’s harder to see people’s writing these days and actually probably harder for people to write these days but I have noticed some deterioration in general and that’s probably just due to lack of requirement to use the skill regularly. It looks undeveloped and often absent of personal style as it’s probably regarded as a non-essential tool somewhat and the value has diminished. I do like to see handwriting as well.. always have.

        So that’s another Cancer theme (you’re mostly Gem then which is perfect for writing) and I wonder if the link is generally more personal house related or if there’s a specific theme about communicating our own emotions and feelings?

        • Reply JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 4:15 pm

          Yeah – there’s 23 degrees of Gemini in there, with 7 degrees in Cancer. All my action is in 9th house – it’s utterly loaded in there.

          I agree about diminished or undeveloped aspects of handwriting. The style of handwriting my son has learned is an absolute abomination and it’s embarrassing that it’s the style that was decided upon by the education officials in our state.

          I’ve always found the page ‘my home’ (hello Cancer) – it’s where I have felt safest and most comfortable in communicating. I suggest that there’s the locus of my personal communication style.

          Mercury is conjunct Neptune in the 9th – I believe that’s where my fiction writing (and penchant for publishing) comes from.

          Thanks so much for helping me walk through this!!!

        • Reply scorpio_rising October 28, 2015 at 8:58 am

          a true lost art form…I love calligraphy, writing with a fountain pen also. No Cancer influence in my 3rd House though. Just Capricorn, maybe traditional ole devil Saturn influences proper handwriting too? 😉

    • Reply funickity October 26, 2015 at 12:05 am

      love handwriting too, I had a rather eccentric style which people commented on for years but suddenly I got over it and had to retrain myself in cursive. It was hard! Quite fluent and natural now though. If there is a Leo theory I have Mercury in Leo (4th House)

      • Reply Sue October 26, 2015 at 1:34 pm

        Another Leo vibe with writing. If I write cursive now.. well I can but it’s not as quick because it’s rarely used now. Did the ‘suddenly’ link to a transit perhaps? I have Leo 4th too. Hmmm..

        • Reply funickity October 26, 2015 at 3:47 pm

          Yes! I just checked and It did coincide with Pluto entering my ninth house which is also when I returned to study. I found with journalling it slowed my writing down but seemed to help me think.

        • Reply JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 4:19 pm

          I can write in three very different styles and I’ve noticed, since I decided to call myself ‘depression free’ – while Venus was Rx through Leo – my writing has morphed again – specifically with how I write my A’s and Y’s! Love the fact that writing can be as fluid as it needs to be in style and how it can reflect our personal evolution.

    • Reply Flashfire October 26, 2015 at 7:53 am

      Hmmm… that’s super interesting about the handwriting. I have a mostly Leo third house too (about 1/5th of it is Cancer) and distinctive penmanship as well. I think my handwriting is very Leo, full of dramatic flourishes and super-sized capitals and in fact, when I was young, I very much modeled it on my Leo mother’s handwriting, though since have customized it to fit myself. The other strange thing about my handwriting is that it fluctuates remarkably from hour to hour, shifting sometimes quite radically, depending on my mood. That part I attribute to my Gem rising, but maybe that’s a third house thing too? Interesting!

      • Reply Sue October 26, 2015 at 1:42 pm

        Yes.. that is interesting flashfire. Similar houses and those two signs again. I might be going with the unique expression of one’s emotion/feeling (Kataka) and thought (3rd) with a unique personal stamp (Leo).

        I have Jupiter in Gem, NN and Vertex.

        At times I can do the chicken scratch but I cannot allow myself to record or retain info in that format. It’s disposable format for example.. rough notes are then recorded properly in a study book. A scratched up dream in the middle of the night is recorded on a pad then transferred to my dream diary. If I’ve done the relaxed or careless thing I won’t be keeping it. I just can’t let myself.. it’s more born from laziness, channelling or switching brain wave activities.. if that makes sense.

        And.. over the years or even from day to day I change it too. I experiment with different letters or shapes but I still sort of come back to my base style. Hmmm indeed!

    • Reply Fauness October 26, 2015 at 8:57 pm

      Gotta respond to this one. My dad loves to write notes in large letters in sharpies. For example: DO NOT USE SINK. DRAINER CLEANER WORKING. His cursive looks like he is signing the constitution of the United States. I really think he studied the signer’s signatures to perfect his own. He’s into history, born on the 4th of July, and was in the Marines.

      I do not know his birth time. I also unfortunately picked up the habit of writing obnoxious notes with sharpies. I DUMPED ALL OF YOUR CIDERS BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO STONG AND BTW YOU ARE A DUMBASS. Haha, no I really didn’t write that.

      Sorry, I’ll go finishing nibbling on my toes now.

      • Reply JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 9:03 pm

        But you wanted to, yes?

        My Mum writes notes on post it notes and sticks them on the steering wheel of the car so she won’t forget.

        I write in all caps, all the time. From memory my Pa also did this. It was the only way my writing was decipherable at high school, writing with a fountain pen and ink!

  • Reply Meredith October 25, 2015 at 2:18 pm

    I have so much to *say* about 3H but where to even begin. All the things I want to say are important. But I can’t write a novel in the comments section and carry on and on about all the things. I must condense while keeping it perfect. I could give it some thought, and then be lost in deep contemplation for hours on what would be the best approach to articulate my thoughts toward this house in text. Or maybe I could create something visual to represent my thoughts and how feel about this hack. But a visual would make it even more open to interpretation and that doesn’t get my intent across. I’ll just sit for a while swimming deep in the realm of my mind obsessing over 3H, hoping an external source doesn’t interrupt me from my inner workings.

    ^ A bit of a summary of my late degree (mature) Scorpio ruled 3H, w/Sagi Sun and Sagi Neptune. My communication strengths lie in the virtual realms – in folder structure, documents, spreadsheets, text – as well as visually [art] for expression purposes . With text I can backspace/delete, edit and study before clicking “send” or just throwing in the trash. Which is good because I can tend to be long winded (like this)… then I have to go through and ‘cut out the fat’, edit down (which I did, you’d not believe how much I left out). Likewise, with art expression, I can direct my brush, image, layer, object, to the flow/language of my choice … erase/overlap where necessary, and keep going – or trash. I don’t have to articulate these things verbally. I am very critical (internally) to how I express, speak or communicate in general.

    Communicating verbally takes a lot more effort/energy. I rehearse, repeatedly (internally) and intensely to prepare. Re: Family/Friends it’s a little easier, I have a sort of internal filter, and I know how to respond to people for the best result, least amount of tension (despite what I might actually be thinking). Scorpio house creates a mental deepness (that I find hard for people to level with me on). Sometimes in groups of people I have to make an extra effort to keep up (my mind wanders). Sagittarius helps keeps what actually comes out lighthearted. Re: Career/Job (for verbal) I have my physical notepad/pen, my virtual notepad, my Devices (phone/tablet), my check-lists, my spreadsheets, my schedules – everything is up and within quick reach during work meetings. I want to be on top of everything. But dear god the effort and energy put into a 30 minute phone call meeting vs. the monumental amount of energy that is drained from having endured it. I’d much rather sort things out via email/text message.

  • Reply Ashley October 25, 2015 at 2:45 pm

    I have Uranus/Jupiter conjoined at 9/10 degrees in Sag in the 3rd house as well as Neptune at 29 degrees.
    My Sun squares Jupiter/Uranus and Mercury squares Uranus. Mercury is sextile Neptune.

    I’m a serious talker with a vivid imagination who gets right to the cutting point!

  • Reply Sarah Ina October 25, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    Distressing. I have moon in Capricorn in my 3rd house at 29 degrees which I found out recently was called ‘anaretic’ or at a ‘critical degree’. It opposes my Saturn Leo in 10th which is conjuct the MC.

    My Moon also squares my Libran Venus/Uranus conjuction in the 12th house which is also at a 29 critical degree/anaretic.

    Also, after reading a recent Astro Hack this sits in the ‘Via Combusta’ area of my natal chart which goes onto square my Saturn Leo in 10th conjuct MC once again.

    I feel like there is a whole lot of fuqery going on in theses aspects. It put a whole downer to my day mostly because the ‘critical degrees’ represent poor choices, difficulties, crisis, or overcompensation!!! Moon placement in Capricorn (over achiever right here) opposing Saturn/MC…Career with a squaring handful of 12th house….Hell, (I don’t drink) BUT I need a drink!! All I can say is that nothing in my life in regards to following my career has been easy. In regards to the 3rd house….how all these aspects work together and how it effects me personally, in life. In my calling….work. I. JUST. CANT. EVEN. Advise please.

    • Reply ICPluto October 25, 2015 at 4:13 pm

      Sarahina, please don´t feel discouraged by fatalistic astro terminology. Your chart is a map of the possibilities you may or may not choose to develop, and even the challenges and obstacles should not be seen as “bad”, for they represent growth and the development of your unique path. For example, when you say “Saturn Leo MC”, how can´t it fail to evoke some sense of perseverance and will to achieve? Granted, what one perceives as success may come not without some tribulation. However, we are all on this stage to learn! And please don´t fall for that [email protected] of 12th house of “self-undoing”. You can get more information from the other peeps with 3rd house Moon Cap who are posting on this hack.

    • Reply Alice B October 25, 2015 at 4:53 pm

      I’m not certain but wouldn’t saturn in the tenth bring some kind of stability to all the 12th house stuff once you worked out the basic themes? and the anaretic thing is a transitional energy – not good or bad?

  • Reply crembert October 25, 2015 at 7:08 pm

    Curious…isn’t astrology (as a field) ruled by the 3rd house? I would imagine that everyone following along with these Astro-hacks is a 3rd houser. A self-selected sample.

    • Reply socialgraffiti October 25, 2015 at 7:44 pm

      I always thought it was ruled by the 8th house, being an occult subject

      • Reply ICPluto October 26, 2015 at 4:57 am

        And I thought it was 9th house 🙂

    • Reply Sue October 26, 2015 at 1:52 pm

      I think Aquarius rules Astrology. It rules science as well right.. and all things outer space. Looking beyond what the naked eye can see is looking beyond Saturn.. and who do we see next? Uranus 🙂

      • Reply JodiCleghorn October 27, 2015 at 2:08 am

        Laughing at the ‘don’t fence me in’. As a fellow Saggi (with Aries rising) il totally with you.

    • Reply Sue October 26, 2015 at 1:54 pm

      Oh.. and I’m definitely not a 3rd houser.. I reckon I’d be an 8th or 9th but I’m a Saggi Sun so won’t be locking myself into any one paradigm any time soon 🙂

  • Reply JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 1:34 am

    I’m third house Gemini, but have Cancer at the tail end of the house, and that’s where I have Saturn retrograde at 1 degree. I’ve always found communication incredibly difficult with those close to me – to the point of my 13 year relationship being all but silent. I don’t know if this is indicative of a Saturn placement here.

    I also don’t do small talk and I put it down to being essentially an introvert. With close friends, or my larger group of fellow writers, where I feel comfortable and the conversation is rarely shallow.

    My son is a Gemini sun in the 3rd house, with Mercury also there. He talks a million miles an hour, consumes information as though it were oxygen and has the same propensity for dissemination as he has for consumption. He’s quick to absorb, assimilate and then relay in a different format, the information he’s taken in… and he’s only 11.

    We knew talking would be important to him and taught him to sign, so I don’t remember a time when he couldn’t talk as he could effectively communicate from about 13 months via sign and had a massive vocab by the time he was 2.

    New lover has his mercury in the 3rd and he totally vibes Gemini (I see strong parallels between his way of communicating and my son’s!)

    • Reply JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 3:03 am

      Just thinking too – is it this Saturn placement in Cancer that favours written communication (journals, diaries, letters, postcards and more recently email/text/messenger) to face-to-face communication?

      That there is a need for privacy in communication?

      • Reply Kellie October 26, 2015 at 4:41 am

        Perhaps, but its also easy to forget face to face communications, whereas as if something is written it is more durable – you can refer back to it at a later date, or the receiver will be able to.

        • Reply JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 4:26 pm

          It is easy to forget face-to-face communications (why I tend to write down as much as I can remember of them in my journal).

          I adore the fact I have a handful of postcards written by my lover – and the fact that we said these were our ‘courting cards’ before we were able to see each other again. They are snap shots of a time and each of them is in turn a snap shot of a moment.

        • Reply JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 4:29 pm

          Also – accidentally looking back over old journals at the start of the year I discovered that something I was certain happened a particular way (of which one of my core personal narratives had been created around) did in fact, not happen the way I had remembered it. My memory had edited into a different shape – which was a little terrifying!

    • Reply Sue October 26, 2015 at 2:41 pm

      Hmmm.. now I’ll preface this with ‘random incoming’ and no ‘actual’ level of expertise or guarantee but depending on what you believe and how broadly you like to think of things Saturn is about lessons right and growth I guess to keep it succinct. It could also be linked to karma in a more immediate sense of reap what ye sow.. and if the crop needs tweaking here’s your opportunity during this transit. Retro Saturn .. if we take an esoteric spin on it can mean past life karma.. back for a re-do or back to finish the job.

      That’s just one spin and we should all explore all spins always and let our eyes rest upon the one that has the ring of truth not the easiest or the most convenient yes.

      In the more traditional descriptions of Saturn one might consider things like fear or anxiety (or rebellion even) around levels of responsibility and whether you can live up to them or dislike of order or structure.. or challenges to keep and maintain order and structure and the like. Being in those late degrees of Cancer it might easily link up with being introverted and when you finally get around to sharing deeper emotions and such not wanting to do small talk because hell.. it’s taken me this long/this much energy.. bravery etc to get here and talk and we’ll talk about the real stuff ok.

      Just ideas 🙂

      • Reply JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 4:38 pm

        Saturn Rx is conjunct my South Node – so excellent call on karma? I have no idea beyond seeing the pattern in my chart. Not yet grokking at at a deeper level – other than to say perhaps I brought the dysfunctional communication patterns in with him and have had to overcome them as part of my evolution this lifetime?

        I’m definitely pushing ahead with that – both with my family of origin but also with my long term partner (and trying to ensure my lover and I also have decent communication foundations)

        I really dislike structure and routine, but when I have it I thrive – which causes just a small amount of dissonance. For me I don’t call it structure or routine – have taken to calling it ‘shaping my day’. Gives it a sense of malleability rather than the strict permanence of a routine or structure.

        I do like the idea of bravery in communicating. I also think that I find small talk boring and shallow and the amount of energy needed to be expended to do it, is a negative return. So why bother?

        And this all struggles against my Sagg sun which glows and is extroverted while the introvert inside just wants to die and go home.

    • Reply Fauness October 26, 2015 at 9:07 pm

      Oh that sounds awesome about your son. Mine did not talk or even make sounds until he was 3 and it so frustrating, I always felt like I was talking to myself. He got speech therapy and developed a crush on dinosaurs, so he went from signing “more” (the only word he would do) to saying 4 syllable dinosaur names in a short period of time.

      • Reply JodiCleghorn October 27, 2015 at 2:05 am

        When he was born a Gemini we knew being able to communicate was a top priority for him – so gave him every opportunity to be able to express himself.

        Language is such an interesting thing – given we can understand it before we are physically mature to be able to create/recreate it.

        I love stories like your son’s – how the intersection of several things allows a child to not just blossom, but excel.

        One of my oldest friends liked to tell the story of his sister who didn’t talk for the first two years of her life. Her first word: bicycle! She was waiting to be able to say the words she wanted to.

  • Reply Kellie October 26, 2015 at 4:37 am

    My third house has Gemini on the cusp but in the middle is Saturn conjunct my south node, so I’ve always struggled with verbal communication – though I am getting better at it as I age. I’m lucky too as the Saturn trines my Sun/Jupiter in Aqua and Uranus in Libra – I think this takes some of the pressure off Saturn.
    But if anyone has any clues as to how the south node works in the third house/gemini I’d love to know.

    • Reply ICPluto October 26, 2015 at 5:31 am

      I have 3rd house SN but in Virgo. I am Gemini rising and Mercury is conjunct Saturn in my natal chart. Saturn, Mercury and Venus trine my SN.

      From my experience, I always felt that the ability to communicate was the most useful asset one could have. I am a self-taught reader/writer, grew up around the world and can speak 5 languages (perhaps it´s the 9th house NN).

      My biggest trauma was the punishment my mother used to inflict on me: cut all forms of communication. I could deal with the lack of warmth and physical contact, but not the silent treatment (She´s a super Gem/Virgo- go figure!). I used to think people would only love me if I were able to know “everything”, and I guess that´s the pitfall of my 3rd house SN Virgo. But at the same time I was not comfortable with the shallowness of the Gemini way of dealing with ideas.

      My mind is quick, it never gets unplugged, but my Saturn reins my Mercury a lot, making me very cautious at speaking, very afraid to commit an intellectual blunder (Venus is also conjunct Mercury). I can´t stand gossip and chitchat.

      I guess the 3rd SN is a good thing. It gives you street smarts, curiosity and makes you very au courant. As long as we don´t get trapped by what today is called “Fear of Missing Out”, I think it is a useful tool to help us tread the path of our 9th house NN-expansion, not accumulation!

      • Reply Sue October 26, 2015 at 2:21 pm

        You could be the poster child for 9th house expression ICP! I am impressed.. and/or just musing on how cool (and useful) it would be to have 5 languages under my belt but.. my attention span and time will not see me pursuing this path in favour of other pursuits ranking higher these days.

        I must say.. I’m not a fan of making intellectual blunders either.. well not publicly eh. Cap mum (my Moon, Venus, Mars) and Scorp dad (my 7th) and both were pretty good at withholding when disapproving. Just a generalisation there.. I can’t really tie it to anything in general or specific to your placements/aspects.

      • Reply Kellie October 26, 2015 at 3:28 pm

        Thanks! I was a slave to the fomo in my earlier years, but that’s settled down, thankfully.

      • Reply JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 8:54 pm

        Yes – our earlier comments have been hoovered into the ether 🙁

        • Reply ICPluto October 27, 2015 at 4:35 am

          The site went wonky, comments vanished- 3rd house prank! 🙂

          • ICPluto October 27, 2015 at 4:36 am

            Hope you guys managed to read my reply.

          • JodiCleghorn October 28, 2015 at 1:25 am

            They all arrived as emails – so I think I have the entire conversation in my inbox.

            Thank you because it helped to clarify so many things. I never realised (after 13 years of silence in main relationship) how the existing communication pattern was about being safely and silently in my shell, and now that’s ended, I need communication to feel secure in my relationships.

  • Reply Lisa October 26, 2015 at 8:44 am

    Wow, I am going to comment before reading any comments first, since I am so late to this hack , and as a H3 myself, it is especially intriguing.
    I have Venus, Mars,Sun late in Saggo/ Mercury in Cap House 3. The first thing I noticed about Joan’s chart was we have similar angles ,but flipped from mine. I have to stop auto projecting my own planets on every chart, but it is a familiar perpective ?
    Her chart ruler w Uranus certainly expresses a much more bold/assertive style than my Libra Rising in both vocabulary and appearance! We both have our moon in the 9th opposite our sun stelliums. My moon in Gem and hers in Saggo, still pondering this aspect? I think she has quite the “bullhorn” the 3rd with Lilith conj Sun/ Merc adding even more edgy style points!
    I love words, reading, writing and correspondence. Funny, about needing brevity in convos, but one of my first jobs was a hairdresser and I could not stand the ever-droning client prattle; so I moved into traveling product knowledge educator for a big beauty line. I need to check my aspects to see if I can actualise more of this natural writing energy as a Sagg I have a hard time sitting still. I do use my problem solving, clever words and passion for new designs/current style trends to sell art, imported furniture and decor.
    Enticing descriptions, my ability to share the “story” of a particular piece , intelligently answer queries, personalizing customer approaches, putting creative vision into words; all correlates to a happy return client and more efficiently closed deals. I love the ever changing fresh nature of my job, now.

    I do have a chart reading observation about famous public personalities that do not many planets above the horizon? just it just mean they are personally private?
    OK now, I am going to see what Intel I can glean from the comments!

    • Reply Lisa October 26, 2015 at 9:01 am

      It will be interesting having Saturn over in Jup ruled Saggo for the holidays?

      • Reply Lisa October 26, 2015 at 1:29 pm

        As far as 3rd H aspects
        I also have Uranus 11H Virgo trine Sun,Venus and Mars
        Pluto 12H Virgo trine Merc
        NN Leo trine Venus
        Lilith conj Pluto in Scorpio 11H trine Venus

  • Reply Antonia October 26, 2015 at 10:07 am

    Third house Sagittarius and Capricorn, no planets but South node in Capricorn. Does South Node here suggestion anything or is it just the planets?

  • Reply lilopinpin October 26, 2015 at 1:03 pm

    I have Leo on 3h cusp with the Moon and Jupiter conjunct and Jupiter is squaring Pluto in my 6th house. Hoping to someday be an astrologer or a minister.

    Your halfway through your sentence is often the 3rd House persons version of “droning on too much”.

    YES. it is so hard for me to find people who are relevant, not redundant, interesting and so on. I like changing scenes every few years, spending months in different slightly uncomfortable countries. its so hard for me to chit chat to people, and i honestly find most people are retarded, muggles, not enough introspection… sigh

  • Reply Rosa-Lina October 26, 2015 at 3:55 pm

    So Saturn in (intercepted) Cap in the 3rd H would be like the anti 3rd House vibe? Makes me sound like a communication retard. Would it help if Sagg is on the cusp?
    Saturn also trines Pluto-Venus in 10th and sextiles Neptune-AC and Chiron in 4th.
    I am a sponge for information and sometimes think that my only raison d’etre is so that information-sucking entities can come and suck it all out of me while i sleep.

    • Reply Keith October 26, 2015 at 4:01 pm

      I suck it in while I am asleep, also when l am napping

      • Reply Rosa-Lina October 26, 2015 at 6:21 pm

        careful – you might explode.

  • Reply JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 6:19 pm

    I would read anything you’d write given those parameters (probably want to publish it too!)

    You’ve been missed (but I’ve been absent too), trying to get plugged in, keep making time to be here because all the learning happens in the comments!

    Only yesterday I was wondering where you’d gone and started thinking up a song for this hack!

    (And I am still playing catch up in a bunch of other hacks – if you’re looking for a partner to do them with?)

    • Reply Emma October 26, 2015 at 7:19 pm

      Somehow my comment has vanished? Bizarre! I hope it’s not lost forever – chewed by some hungry ghost.

      I’ve got a book going through the throws of design and layout atm. And I’m working on a 20K short story before returning to my ‘epic’ trilogy.

      Do you know anywhere to start getting pre-release reviews done?

      Yeah – be my catch up buddy. 🙂

      • Reply Emma October 26, 2015 at 8:10 pm

        https://youtu.be/O4o8TeqKhgY

        • Reply JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 8:47 pm

          Huzzah! Perfect song. I have my thinking cap on.

        • Reply JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 8:52 pm

          Here we go – I believe it was in the charts in the early 1980 here in Australia (thought it was released late 1979?)

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbXWrmQW-OE

      • Reply JodiCleghorn October 26, 2015 at 8:49 pm

        Email me on [email protected] (my mentoring email) and I can give you a list of places/people who will possibly do you a review!

    • Reply Emma October 26, 2015 at 7:20 pm

      Whoops – I replied below.. but I’ve obviously hit the wrong button!

  • Reply Emma October 27, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    This makes so much sense! Love this hack. Joan sure had a loaded 3rd house!

  • Reply Catherine October 27, 2015 at 8:10 pm

    so my third house is gemini/cancer cusp.
    within it is jupiter, my sun, and chiron.
    OPPOSITE, in my 9th house is neptune, saturn and uranus.
    mercury is in gemini, but in my second house.

    uranus is bang opposite my sun, sun is in gemini. I FIND THIS REALLY INTERESTING!

    i used to write often. endless prose spewed from my mind to my fingers, and they ached as i typed. i still often write, although my communication style is much more verbal these days. i still see the value in sharing ideas via writing, story/idea telling. but deciphering people’s verbal sayings and almost translating them has become my jam. i get told i should be a marriage counsellor (probably because i mediated my parents my whole child life.)

    ANYWAY. communication is definitely who i am. although in text i’m definitely more airy-faerie.
    any insights/ideas lemmie know. hope you all survived the full moon last night!

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